Update from GMs

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Creative solutions. there is always a way....

Agreed.

[Smedy]

if you go teams its pretty obvious that you need to make it custom, there's no reason that all teams shouldn't have all classes, that was dumb on verants part when they designed teams servers.

there can be more choices to teams then to base it on race, how about diety? If you're a human believing in innoruuk you've evil, if you believe in brell you're good, or whatever

pudge throwing out some good ideas too, i mean there's tons of ways to make teams work, don't box yourself in to that "it's classic" bullshit cause watch where that put red99, in the shitter

[Galacticus]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

easy solution, just give benefits to the lower-populated teams. i suggest +2 to each stat across the board for every 1% that a team is behind. ways to calculate this can get a little more complex with 3 teams, but it's easiest to just measure against the most populated team. (this means that the 2 lower-pop teams will have slightly more trouble fighting between each other, which promotes fighting against the zerg a bit more often)

Ex:
Team 1: 40% pop - 0 bonus
Team 2: 35% pop - +10 to all stats and resists bonus
Team 3: 25% pop - +30 to all stats and resists bonus

Now, wouldn't you choose team 3 if you held no allegiances? in reality, teams would never get this far apart, because any new players will simply roll on the less populated teams in order to reap the benefit of + stats.

Creative solutions. there is always a way....

This could work but it doesn't fix everything. How can we prevent cross-teaming? Lets say the best guild in Team 1 wants to keep dominance so they ally with the best guild on Team 3. Now Team 2 has to fight the Guild with more people and better gear and the team 3 with better bonuses then them.

This happend all the time on Sullon Zek. The evil team would work with the good team to keep the neutral team in the number two spot and the good team would do it because they wanted to become number two and dont have to worry about getting killed by the evil team. This generally went on by the top guilds of each faction not everyone was cross teaming, but unfortunately all of the team depends on its top guild to do well for everyone.

It was illegal there to cross team there but you cant force people to kill someone they dont want to.

It kind of reminds me of the current 3 guild situation we have now except people can change and move guilds and they cant do that with teams.

If you really think about it, teams are just like forced guilds. Guilds on a team server are like guilds within a guild.

Whats the purpose of forcing people to commit to a team choice that could have negative concequences years down the line with nothing they can do about it but reroll?

[sunmilk]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

easy solution, just give benefits to the lower-populated teams. i suggest +2 to each stat across the board for every 1% that a team is behind. ways to calculate this can get a little more complex with 3 teams, but it's easiest to just measure against the most populated team. (this means that the 2 lower-pop teams will have slightly more trouble fighting between each other, which promotes fighting against the zerg a bit more often)

Ex:
Team 1: 40% pop - 0 bonus
Team 2: 35% pop - +10 to all stats and resists bonus
Team 3: 25% pop - +30 to all stats and resists bonus

Now, wouldn't you choose team 3 if you held no allegiances? in reality, teams would never get this far apart, because any new players will simply roll on the less populated teams in order to reap the benefit of + stats.

Creative solutions. there is always a way....

Brand new to project1999, but used to play on Sullon Zek (good) during Velious and Luclin. Anyway, interesting thread... for a team-based server setup I think it is very important (potentially even crucial) to have some means of balancing the lower populated faction. I think that balancing around stat points is an interesting idea--giving the underpopulated faction(s) basically some sort of stat compensation to make up for the gear they are probably unable to get. In that way, I think it offers a sort of partial solution to the problem, but not a solution to the overall problem which is population imbalance. Giving a faction better stats doesn't really explicitly encourage an increase in population for an underpopulated faction.

I think a more direct solution would be to reward the underpopulated faction with some sort of exp incentive. Exp rate *obviously* correlates with population, to a certain degree... but especially within a context of a given server. If one faction is getting rewarded more exp because they are incredibly underpopulated, I think it is safe to bet that newcomers will be at a CERTAIN ADVANTAGE to roll on the underpopulated force. This also would give incentives for people of the dominant faction to reroll, since leveling would be easier. Also, in Velious (or whenever AAs come out), exp boost starts directly correlating with stat increase as well, since those can be achieved with AAs. This sort of solution would help a server reach a population equilibrium more naturally than most others that I could think of.

Also, I will say that there was no counter-balance in place for population imbalance when I was playing on Sullon Zek. And I played on basically ... the extremely underpopulated/gimp faction, the goods [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I still had more fun that I knew what to do with, and that's a large part of the reason why I just downloaded project1999.

Sorry for wall of text, but..

TL;DR: Exp incentive for underpopulated factions.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

easy solution, just give benefits to the lower-populated teams. i suggest +2 to each stat across the board for every 1% that a team is behind. ways to calculate this can get a little more complex with 3 teams, but it's easiest to just measure against the most populated team. (this means that the 2 lower-pop teams will have slightly more trouble fighting between each other, which promotes fighting against the zerg a bit more often)

Ex:
Team 1: 40% pop - 0 bonus
Team 2: 35% pop - +10 to all stats and resists bonus
Team 3: 25% pop - +30 to all stats and resists bonus

Now, wouldn't you choose team 3 if you held no allegiances? in reality, teams would never get this far apart, because any new players will simply roll on the less populated teams in order to reap the benefit of + stats.

Creative solutions. there is always a way....

i like where your heads at sir. incentives to join the #2 and #3 teams is a damned fine idea. keep the ideas floating. we arent always posting, but we are always reading

[Silent]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but we are always reading

HAVE MY BABIES, also float over to red tonight sometime. I will put in an official petition either way if any other GMs are around, just need a minor surname removal! I can't seem to stay on long enough except maybe raid times to find someone.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

easy solution, just give benefits to the lower-populated teams. i suggest +2 to each stat across the board for every 1% that a team is behind. ways to calculate this can get a little more complex with 3 teams, but it's easiest to just measure against the most populated team. (this means that the 2 lower-pop teams will have slightly more trouble fighting between each other, which promotes fighting against the zerg a bit more often)

Ex:
Team 1: 40% pop - 0 bonus
Team 2: 35% pop - +10 to all stats and resists bonus
Team 3: 25% pop - +30 to all stats and resists bonus

Now, wouldn't you choose team 3 if you held no allegiances? in reality, teams would never get this far apart, because any new players will simply roll on the less populated teams in order to reap the benefit of + stats.

Creative solutions. there is always a way....

If theres a will, theres a way though

If not alot of fucks are given you get... red99

Im trying hard not to rip on the staff just cuz, but come on guys, take the flak and learn from it

[Potus]

I want to see a Tunare-worshipping Gnome Necromancer.

[Fame]

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[Drakaris]

The thing is with sullon zek, they tried to balance things by having pvp tokens to buy expendibles from apvp merchant, such as corpse summon potions.

You don't need to balance the teams with passive buffs alone, but you could balance it by offering more tokens per pvp kill for the underdog team and occasionally putting big ticket items on a random pvp merchant such as cof.

You could get sticks that had 10 charge harmony, or gift of nature, or even group dmf.

Plus you could increase the bard track amount to make sure all 3 teams had proficient trackers.

Just food for thought.