so... human XP bonus?

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by jyaku [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i asked if it could be implemented.

Can it?

Certainly.

You have your answer.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not ours to pick and choose what we want out of their recreation of EverQuest 1999.

In fact, it's not for you to change anything at all. You aren't entitled to fucking anything. You can either enjoy the hard work put into a concept, or you can complain pointlessly about minute details.

The absolute best way to enjoy the server is to whine for more, and point out every mistake you see. Real fucking productive.

This post was a response to Eccenticaa, by the way.

That doesn't change that the sum of your argument is, "It wasn't Classic, but it would sure benefit me if it could be!"

Could it be implemented? Of course it can. Obviously, it can.

It wasn't that way before, and there's absolutely no reason for it to be, now. To argue that it should be so creates the equal argument that halflings should NOT have it, and if you can't see where it goes from there.........

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by jyaku [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i was not complaining at all during this whole post, i was pointing out what i thought should be done and giving a valid argument about it. pointing out mistakes is something that SHOULD be done as it helps devs find the bugs of the server and try to fix them as best they can. i never said i'm entitled to the human XP bonus i asked if it could be implemented. the only one i hear wining is the guy with "wa wa" in his name.

Out of curiosity you do know that during this whole post it has been in Rants and Flames not in Bugs?

If you really were trying to help(s) devs find the bugs of the server and try to fix them as best they can you really should have posted it there and not here. My impression is that you posted it here because you do feel entitled to the human Xp bonus and not the former, and knew you would be shot down immediately.

[mmiles8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikilawyering

The parallels here could be a lesson to all of the folks who like to thrash about, arguing 'how classic is classic' to gain a personal advantage without any real mind to the classic experience, or acknowledge that the behind the scenes mechanics don't perceptibly change the classic experience.

Let's try swapping out a couple paragraph from that link:

In other words a "classiclawyer" is an image drawn from a poor lawyer, and the term may also be used in other cases, e.g., when a person superficially judges other developers and their actions by jumping at conclusions and slapping labels while brandishing P1999 policies as a tool for defeating developers rather than resolving a conflict or finding a mutually agreeable solution.

P1999 policies and procedures should be interpreted in a commonsensical way to achieve the purpose of the policy, or help dispute resolution. Typically, classiclawyering raises procedural or evidentiary points in a manner analogous to that used in formal legal proceedings, often using ill-founded legal reasoning. Occasionally classiclawyering may raise legitimate questions, including fairness, but often it serves to evade an issue or obstruct the crafting of a workable solution.

All edits are in blue. Text, Basically wiki replaced with classic and editors replaced with developers. There's a lesson here folks.

[Humwawa]

Question: When is it Time to [Change the Game For my Benefit?]Buy Your Child a Pony?
Parents know that children go through phases. Toys and games that were all consuming last week are now under the bed collecting dust. Many little girls seem to go through a[n entitlement phase] horse crazy phase. How can you tell when it is time to [give in] buy that first pony?
Answer: Before you consider [giving in]buying a pony you child should be [playing the game] taking riding lessons. Help your child learn all they can about [just playing the game]keeping a pony. Your child will need to know how to [play the game]lead, groom, saddle and bridle, muck out stalls and keep a pony healthy. [Leveling] Lessons and clubs like Pony Club are the best places to learn this.

You know your child best. Are they eager to get out the door and ready with helmet and boots, or do you have to remind them that it's time to leave and be properly dressed for their lesson? Observe your child during lessons. Are they attentive and enthusiastic, or does their attention wander? Do they brush the instructor off and answer every instruction with 'I know', or do they try to apply what they are being told?

Do they [complain out of entitlement] get off the pony and hand it to the instructor, or are they excited about [the game] unsaddling the pony and putting it in its stall. Are they enthusiastic about being invited to equipment and stall cleaning sessions, or do they avoid any extra work?

If your child shows enthusiasm for all aspects of [simply playing the game]riding and pony care after several months of lessons it might be time [that they notice the entire argument was unimportant to begin with] for their own pony.

Back to Buying Your Child's First Pony FAQ Index

[Eternal-Elf]

Just wanted to say I love how this server has been created to give us all a great classic feel to a game we all used to love.....

That being said I also feel that just because it has become "classic" for a Toyota Corolla to have the accelerator stick and burl uncontrolably down the road doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.

If there IS something that could make the game more enjoyable for players that was SUPPOSED to be in the game on classic but verant just sucked I don't see it being a problem adding it in........5% exp for human? Don't really see it being some HUGE difference but if it was meant to be there then why not?

Why call him a "WoW n00b" for asking?

Anyways, you can flame me or whatever you feel like doing I'm just saying the devs here have a great opportunity to take a great game and make it better which they have already done in several ways. Asking for a few things that might just rightly be deserved in the game doesn't sound so bad.....to me at least.

[Humwawa]

One more time.

5% exp meant for humans is instead given to halflings on release.

If you're "fixing" the error, you remove the 5% from halflings in favor of humans. To not do so is merely asking for 5% exp because you want it.

To remove the 5% exp from existing halflings is no more fair than humans never getting it in the first place. People came to Project1999 and created halflings knowing that 10 years ago they had an exp bonus.

Since SoE never changed the bug in Live until beyond Velious, the safest answer is to simply leave this alone.

TLDR?

1) Give humans, take from halfers = unfair to current players.
2) Give humans and halflings = custom content
3) Leave as is = safest answer
4) Sloth love Chunk

[Eternal-Elf]

Doesn't make much sense to me.......
The devs have taken this and made it into something of their own. Therefore I would call this whole server custom content BASED on 1999 release rules.

Sorry but if you wanna be "classic" i think nerfs were something of a common thing. So taking from Halfling when they don't rightly deserve it would not be "unfair" it would be a nerf.

Honestly, I drank too much coffee and am bored, and could care less because I play neither of these races, but if Human is supposed to have an exp bonus.....there is no harm is fixing the problem. If Halfling is NOT supposed to have it.....I see no harm in taking it away.

I mean really......if they GAVE enchanter that 15k nuke....by mistake.....would it be unfair to take it away? Hell no bahaha

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but if you wanna be "classic" i think nerfs were something of a common thing. So taking from Halfling when they don't rightly deserve it would not be "unfair" it would be a nerf.

If you want to be "classic," humans don't get a 5% exp bonus at all.

The server's different from Live. We know what's coming. We understand how the game works, for the most part. The server is not stuck in 1999, but that's the idea behind it, NOT to make all your little dreams and wishes of 10 years ago come true. I'm sorry. It's not. It can't ever be a perfect mirror of the past, but when you toy with little things here and there about "Old EQ," it eventually stops being "Old EQ" and becomes a conflict over which dream of the game is more relevant. In order to avoid that, it's best to leave the game as is.

You know, I spent a month on a broken quest in Neriak. I didn't learn it was broken until three years later. I demand the developers go back and implement a quest for me, because that is what was intended but never completed.

Just give up already.

[Eternal-Elf]

Your mis-understanding for anything that even comes close to shining a light on what im trying to say is getting annoying.
I am not saying change things to make it a better dream everquest.

However, if the quest you wasted a month on was able to be fixed on P99 and work properly....would that not be something you'd want?

Oh wait! I have an idea lets put a whole section on the forum of things that were fucked up, stupid, and broken about the original EverQuest and make sure the Devs' here implement it into the game. If they aren't gunna fix Human exp then it's not fair to fix ANYTHING is what you're saying.

Pathing problems, falling under the world, AND not to mention from what I've noticed the devs are very VERY responsive to your questions and requests on this server.....to make it more CLASSIC we gotta go a un-yeilding petition system that never grants you anything you ask for.

Get real man. This is the chance to make something 11 years ago classic.......
Classic doesn't mean the same.
GM made a new CAMARO look classic.....but damn man they gave it a 6 disc and power windows too. Just go with the flow and they can fix the things that ended up driving people away to begin with.