New Raid Rules question - how would "unguilded" pickup raids be handled?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok...so what if like someone wants to form a pickup raid and invite anyone from any guild to participare/random on drops?

Would those people that were in guilds locked out of whatever mob the pickup raid is going after be punished for joining said pickup raid?

Pickup raids are classic as fuck, would be retarded as hell if they were outlawed under this new raid agreement.

Yet no pick up raids ever happened on this server with any sort of reasonable frequency before these restrictions were put in place...

Not (P99) classic.

But seriously. If your guild is locked out from it and a pickup raid goes, you should be able to attend just not win any loot.

[falkun]

Tassle, PUGs were never an issue before this agreement, why are they now? Also, there's a whole third of the spawns (excluding VP) dedicated to PUGs, that third "1" that is designated FFA, not to mention the mobs that go FFA after being left up for 6hrs. If FFA did not preclude PUGs before, why would it preclude them now?

You are intentionally being dense.

As for Xasten's Artaxerxius example, that case is covered. Before under FFA/FTE only, he'd raid 32khp mobs with TMO and do planes with Asgard. Now, he can raid 32khp mobs with TMO and do planes with Asgard, or he can raid 32khp mobs with Asgard and do planes with Asgard. I suspect he only raided with TMO in the first place to see the content because he would not see it with Asgard. Now that he has an opportunity to see the content with Asgard, he might be more inclined to leave TMO. The difference between before and now: that is a viable option!

[drktmplr12]

With the # of level 50s I would not be surprised to see a pickup for vox/nagafen.

Idk about the other stuff. Maybe draco or maestro during a plane clear if the group is organized.

Free Roll pickup raid should not count against a guild if they host it. It should switch classification of the next spawn though. Just my opinion.

Perhaps this conversation is already dead though.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tassle, PUGs were never an issue before this agreement, why are they now? Also, there's a whole third of the spawns (excluding VP) dedicated to PUGs, that third "1" that is designated FFA, not to mention the mobs that go FFA after being left up for 6hrs. If FFA did not preclude PUGs before, why would it preclude them now?

You are intentionally being dense.

As for Xasten's Artaxerxius example, that case is covered. Before under FFA/FTE only, he'd raid 32khp mobs with TMO and do planes with Asgard. Now, he can raid 32khp mobs with TMO and do planes with Asgard, or he can raid 32khp mobs with Asgard and do planes with Asgard. I suspect he only raided with TMO in the first place to see the content because he would not see it with Asgard. Now that he has an opportunity to see the content with Asgard, he might be more inclined to leave TMO. The difference between before and now: that is a viable option!

Am I being dense? I've always wanted to run pickup raids, and now the raid scene agreement actually makes it somewhat feasible. Don't believe me?

Here is a post(made last august) I made discussing an idea of mine regarding PUG type raids open to the server: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=118919

I'm not being purposely dense, but you're intentionally being an asshole know-it-all. I genuinely have always wanted to run pickup raids, and I don't see why they should be outlawed as now the raid scene is perfectly set up for them.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I being dense? I've always wanted to run pickup raids, and now the raid scene agreement actually makes it somewhat feasible. Don't believe me?

Here is a post(made last august) I made discussing an idea of mine regarding PUG type raids open to the server: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=118919

I'm not being purposely dense, but you're intentionally being an asshole know-it-all. I genuinely have always wanted to run pickup raids, and I don't see why they should be outlawed as now the raid scene is perfectly set up for them.

Sure run em and restrict pixel awarding to those in guilds not locked out from said mobs IMO.

[Frieza_Prexus]

The idea that people in multiple guilds should be locked out is, in my opinion, absurd. The only guilds that people are worried about are FE and TMO. Almost all of the active members of those guilds have no desire to do this on any level. Even those that do will likely not be seeing loot. Even if they did, they just spent a LOT of time working up DKP in both guilds, it's utterly inefficient.

Yes, if a guild splits in half just to get around the bag limit or whatever certainly action should be taken. That's not likely to happen. The argument that multi-guild raiders will be doing so for RMT purposes is equally absurd. Most RMT'd gear comes from EC trading and farmable camps. Not dragon raids.

Guilds are locked out of raids because it prevents other guilds from seeing that content. However, if a lower tier guild manages to kill a mob who they give the loot to is their prerogative. The only issue that makes any sense to me is if a higher-end guild props up a lower end guilds with a massive donation of players and resources to enable their kills in exchange for loot. This kind of quid pro quo can be dealt with easily. Don't penalize the guy that just wants to make as many raids as he can.

[uygi]

Pickup raids have happened when there was an environment that allowed for it. The first outdoor VP kills were pickup raids, BDA organized some for TMO's last suspension of 2012, and around a year ago there was a Naggy pop in the early morning that ended up being a BDA/FE/TMO pickup raid cus there was no other way to get enough people.

I'd probably define pickup raid as a raid where anyone is invited and loot is all random.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I think the concerns are the massive Class C alt armies dropping tags and conveniently showing up for "pickup raids" as a loophole.

[Geofizzle]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the concerns are the massive Class C alt armies dropping tags and conveniently showing up for "pickup raids" as a loophole.

Controlling people's behavior is the only way. We need total 100% control over how and when people play EQ so we can control their motives and pixel lust. This is the only way we can retain "FUN" in this "VIDEO GAME". I have several PDFs on how this can be done if GMs or BDA leadership wants to PM me I'll gladly share.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok...so what if like someone wants to form a pickup raid and invite anyone from any guild to participare/random on drops?

Would those people that were in guilds locked out of whatever mob the pickup raid is going after be punished for joining said pickup raid?

Pickup raids are classic as fuck, would be retarded as hell if they were outlawed under this new raid agreement.

why didn't you try to do this kind of stuff before these rules is my only question

acting like this new agreement ( which allows many more formal opportunities for pick up raiding) is hindering something that never made it to fruition under the old system is kind of silly.

Note: I read that you said somewhere that you 'tried' to set up some pick up raids, so I might have missed if one of these actually happened, in which case my apology.

And a 'pick up' dungeon crawl raid doesn't count.