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[Obwin]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can list probably 15 active Nihilum members griefed in previous guilds.

There are very few loopholes in the rule in question. You're all still just looking at it from a purely strategic/ blue mind frame to collect and horde as much loot as possible to keep competition low or insignificant, whereas the GMs are completely changing things around in order to foster more PvP and competition. The rule exists to keep mass PvP viable all throughout a raid day without actually changing the server away from classic (i.e. variance). The idea is also to the benefit of newer players who are easily dissuaded from actually continuing to play here.

Nihilum has to try harder, basically. But the retention of new players should be significant. Right now it's a wasteland of hardcore knyuckaz. The rule definitely hurts Nihilum, but it's also good for casual players and everyone else outside of raid contexts (on the flip side).

It may be hard to see past it being just a witch hunt for Nihilum's ass, but it really is a good rule in practice. There's a reason SZ was the least populated server. You gotta give a little reprieve to the little guys. Sometimes you gotta be merciful. It's just that the GMs are enforcing it instead of it being dealt with between players now. Maybe Tune will have 300 people to pick on in the near future. It could end up being a good thing. CRing also isn't as painful if everyone is civil.

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[Obwin]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum?

Nothing becuause he strictly formquests, never actually plays. Probably a net loss since he'd have nothing to constantly whine about.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum? By playing on Red you can do 90% of the content without having to wait in line for an opening.

You want to go to Charassis and camp a fingerbone hoop... Guess what? It isn't taken.

You want to go to a plane and do a full clear short of the gods... Guess what? It isn't down.

Tearing down the premier guild on a dead server wont bring it to life. In actuality it will do the reverse.

Key Azrael members are on the absolute shit list for Nihilum due to the VP training and shit talking. People loved the guild vs guild pvp and it was most enjoyable except for the aspects of griefing and shit talking that followed.

Azrael were relentless with VP training and exploited the no CSR policy from Blue. Their keyed bards were training on every Nihilum VP raid using a timing exploit for avoiding aggro to get deeper in at bard speed.

Red Dawn openly holding hands with some of those members was in essence an open declaration of war, since no one in Nihilum wants to see the rez box training griefing shit again.

If Nihilum were exclusive and didn't allow the majority of people to have a fair go, then I understand why it would be worth while tearing the guild down.

Nihilum in reality accept almost anyone on the server into their guild, so everyone has a chance at 'end game loot'.

If you are a casual player, then Nihilum isn't the guild for you and you should prolly join a midrange guild and be 'content' with Planar loot (including sky tests) as well as kunark dungeon loot.

I don't understand what the big deal here is? Until the Azrael / Red Dawn merge the guild leadership was considering passing some of the lesser bosses down, such as dracolich and naggy/vox.

Unfortunately here is where the politics comes into play.

The server needs a runners up guild to Nihilum for the more casual players. It does not need Azrael 2.0

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[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do honestly gain from dethroning Nihilum? By playing on Red you can do 90% of the content without having to wait in line for an opening.

You want to go to Charassis and camp a fingerbone hoop... Guess what? It isn't taken.

You want to go to a plane and do a full clear short of the gods... Guess what? It isn't down.

Tearing down the premier guild on a dead server wont bring it to life. In actuality it will do the reverse.

Key Azrael members are on the absolute shit list for Nihilum due to the VP training and shit talking. People loved the guild vs guild pvp and it was most enjoyable except for the aspects of griefing and shit talking that followed.

Azrael were relentless with VP training and exploited the no CSR policy from Blue. Their keyed bards were training on every Nihilum VP raid using a timing exploit for avoiding aggro to get deeper in at bard speed.

Red Dawn openly holding hands with some of those members was in essence an open declaration of war, since no one in Nihilum wants to see the rez box training griefing shit again.

If Nihilum were exclusive and didn't allow the majority of people to have a fair go, then I understand why it would be worth while tearing the guild down.

Nihilum in reality accept almost anyone on the server into their guild, so everyone has a chance at 'end game loot'.

If you are a casual player, then Nihilum isn't the guild for you and you should prolly join a midrange guild and be 'content' with Planar loot (including sky tests) as well as kunark dungeon loot.

I don't understand what the big deal here is? Until the Azrael / Red Dawn merge the guild leadership was considering passing some of the lesser bosses down, such as dracolich and naggy/vox.

Unfortunately here is where the politics comes into play.

The server needs a runners up guild to Nihilum for the more casual players. It does not need Azrael 2.0

Everything you said is a complete joke. Red Dawn supports anti-griefing. We don't support Training. To somehow "punish" Red Dawn because we did a joint sky raid with Azrael is laughable. Should we punish Nihilum for harboring racists and people like Extreme who wish death on people's children? You're just spewing the same old Nihilum bullshit since day one. The PR strategy of, label your opposition all trolls so that your population killing actions can seem "justified". I could prolly write ten paragraphs destroying every sentence you wrote, but it would fall upon deaf ears since you're unable to see the server how it actually is: There's good and bad people in every guild.