Science Admits They Made Up Everything About the Big Bang

[Langrisserx]

done and fuckin done.

[Langrisserx]

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[Sadre Spinegnawer]

There is no theory of "where the universe came from." No scientist has one single thing to say about that question. All science does is extrapolate from observed regularities backwards ("the past") and forwards ("the future") in a causal chain.

What comes before that extrapolated causal chain, or after it, is by definition unknowable, since it involves data that cannot be derived from that causal chain, by definition.

"Where did the universe come from?" is not a scientific question. Just like "What happens after the universe?" is.

There never will be a scientific theory of why any of this exists. Just theories on how it exists given that it exists. But its existence is a given beyond which we have no information.

If you prefer, you can think Vishnu created it. Or, me. Why not me? How do you know I didn't create the universe? You cannot disprove it. Therefore, "Sadre created the universe" should be taught in our public schools, since it cannot be disproved that I may have.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Where did the universe come from?" is not a scientific question. Just like "What happens after the universe?" is.

There never will be a scientific theory of why any of this exists. Just theories on how it exists given that it exists. But its existence is a given beyond which we have no information.
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I'm glad you know the exact limits of our knowledge. I bet there was an ancient Greek version of you that said we'd never know why the stars are in the sky. We still are fairly infantile in our understanding of our universe. Hell, we haven't managed to get a human farther than 0.0000000000000000000003125% of the way to the edge of the observable universe. Making claims about the limits of our knowledge seems somewhat premature.

[Langrisserx]

"Goldilocks zones are regions around stars that are 'just right' for liquid water and for the chemistry of life as we know it. Now one cosmologist points out that the universe must have been through a Goldilocks epoch, a period in which warm, watery conditions could have existed on almost any planet in the entire cosmos. The key phenomenon here is the cosmic background radiation, the afterglow of the Big Bang which was blazing hot when it first formed. But as the universe expanded, the wavelength of this radiation increased, lowering its energy. Today, it is an icy 3 Kelvin. But somewhere along the way, it must have been between 273 and 300 Kelvin, just right to keep water in liquid form. According to the new calculations, this Goldilocks epoch would have occurred when the universe was about 15 million years old and would have lasted for several million years. And since the first stars had a lifespan of only 3 million years or so, that allows plenty of time for the heavy elements to have formed which are necessary for planet formation and the chemistry of life. Indeed, if live did evolve a this time, it would have predated life on Earth by about 10 billion years."

https://medium.com/p/239bc4cf4ece

[Kagatob]

Current assumed limits?

[Langrisserx]

From your Dick Tip to your Pie Hole as far as you know

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[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad you know the exact limits of our knowledge. I bet there was an ancient Greek version of you that said we'd never know why the stars are in the sky. We still are fairly infantile in our understanding of our universe. Hell, we haven't managed to get a human farther than 0.0000000000000000000003125% of the way to the edge of the observable universe. Making claims about the limits of our knowledge seems somewhat premature.

You did not understand my post. It went over your head.

You cannot derive knowledge about what is outside a system of which one is a member.

Imagine I tell you there is a color no human being has ever seen, and more specifically, it cannot ever be observed because its definition is, "a color outside of the system of color." What color is it? An impossible question, by definition.

The same thing happens when you try to think where the universe came from. If you point me to the big bang, or even God, if you so choose, that is part of the universe. What the question means is, what existed prior to the universe?

But by definition one cannot know. You cannot know something that is outside the system from which one is gathering information.

And this is why questions of ultimate origins (and ends) are unanswerable. We only know the thing that is. It is vast, has a history, has laws, has processes, has end states (heat death).

But we do not know why it is here in the first place. never will.

[Langrisserx]

exactly... we would be satisfied with the how.


the Why is irrelevant at this point and possibly for all time.


well put. there is hope yet.