If you think US Healthcare is anything other than an embarrassment, you're delusional

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't try to bullshit a bullshitter.

The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting fewer than 90 days.[55]

Dr. Brian Day was once quoted as saying "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two-to-three years."[58]

Wikipedia copy-pasta.

I read that one earlier after I posted and didn't cherry pick. Your country didn't deliver hard numbers on the same points so there's no real comparison there. Those numbers also don't sound outrageous to me. A specialist could be anything. If it's life threatening, you're going to get to see someone quick.

Similarly a median isn't an average, and with a greater percentage of rural population you can absolutely expect the middle number to be quite high, much higher than the average by a long-shot. I'm sure the waits in nunavut and northern quebec are crazy. I'm sure they are in alaska too.

Dr Brian Day's remark is really just that, so I don't see why you chose that rather than pretty well anything else quoted on that page. Our own health minister throws down some serious disses at one point. 2-3 years for hip replacement is stupid, maybe he has like one example of this that he trots out to push some 2-tier public/private system conservative party jive. Obviously not anything close to a reliable or accurate statistic but sure, we have great vets too! My brother's cat had surgery recently and they were in and out the same day I believe.

Lower life expectancy, higher IMR and deaths with treatable conditions. Even with more doctors per person and (apparently) shorter wait times. You tell me how that's better.

[DrKvothe]

Lang, was mr sheen your data set?

Average medical costs are going to go up. That's what happens when we decide to actually allow chronically sick to receive health care. It costs money to put air bags and seatbelts in cars, but total cost isn't everything. You are better insured without health insurance under the ACA (just through the assurance that you can get insurance after you get sick) than you were with a typical policy before.

You're also going to pay more if you're a young, healthy male. You're now expected to share the cost of reproductive healthcare. I already stated the logic of this and gave my support.

Currently, the law is a framework with good intention and many obvious flaws. For example, why do we need a national website when you're only allowed to choose amongst in state insurers? Why not hire multiple companies, state by state, to set up websites? The companies that fuck up can be fired and replaced by those that successfully met their goals.

Overconsumption of healthcare is a product of over insuring a population, but the problem isn't checkups, medical implants, or drugs. People don't run out to get a pacemaker just because they're free; demand is hard capped at the actual medical needs of our population. The overconsumption problem is about unnecessary diagnostic tests. When they're free for the patient, doctors insist that more data is always better, primarily because it covers the doctors ass in court. Tort reform would greatly reduce unnecessary testing. Additionally, insurance under Obamacare doesn't make stuff free, and consumers still have a reasonable financial motive for not buying unnecessary healthcare. Republican arguments otherwise are pure fear mongering.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't try to bullshit a bullshitter.

The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting fewer than 90 days.[55]

Dr. Brian Day was once quoted as saying "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two-to-three years."[58]

You can't use the most extreme example you can find (hip replacements) to characterize the whole system, idiot. You're right, you're a bullshitter, cherry picking numbers to prove your asinine points. Canadian wait times are published (here for example) and you can see for yourself urgent care specialists like cardiac surgeons are max 4 days.

My Dad went in Friday with chest pains and had a stent in on Monday. No co-payments, no invoices from the hospital, no swiping his charge card before he went in...

Some services have waiting lists, that's how you control costs. Thats also how you ensure that someone in agony from a broken hip (high acuity) gets a new one before some old bag (low acquity) with a creaky hip. Thus, a Health Care System that costs 1/2 of the American system.

Regards,
Mg (former health care data warehouse manager)

[Langrisserx]

behaviors that increase ones burden on the healthcare system are less common in high earners.

lol yea charlie sheen a broke mother fucker right

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol yea charlie sheen a broke mother fucker right

We're talking averages here. Smoking and unhealthy living are much less abundant amongst the wealthy. Diabetes, heart disease, HIV, and cancer rates are largely dependent on these behaviors. This is about the choices people make, and your average attorney has his shit together more so than the average McDonalds employee.

[Langrisserx]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're talking averages here. Smoking and unhealthy living are much less abundant amongst the wealthy. Diabetes, heart disease, HIV, and cancer rates are largely dependent on these behaviors. This is about the choices people make, and your average attorney has his shit together more so than the average McDonalds employee.

ok so nevermind there are more poor people than rich so of course anything to do with Poor people will have more numbers.

are you srs or dumb not sure

[Langrisserx]

you can pay for it, that means u deserve it... might = right .. get money money

[Langrisserx]

there are things about derogatory terms that you still use but pretend to be open minded? can you get healthcare right now? yes. will you be able to? yes.

any other questions, white lady???

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are things about derogatory terms that you still use but pretend to be open minded? can you get healthcare right now? yes. will you be able to? yes.

any other questions, white lady???

I think we're all guilty of being assholes at times. Some more often than others (hint). I do honestly try to improve myself, though, which would include opening my mind and seeing the other side of an argument. Maybe you should try it sometime.

[DrKvothe]

Jesus fuck, do you not know what an average is?