Bumamgar

[Abacab2]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

*Engaging with 15 people

*Calling a timer and no leapfrogging

*Killing and clearing planes before engage

*Dictating targets if two raid mobs are up

*Special rules of engagement

Nizzarr among others back in the day adopted those rules through guild meetings which are player rules, those things I listed above if broke will warrant GM enforcement in the form of bans all around.

All of those things above are player rules that were adopted and skewed into server rules due to the consensus of two end game guilds?

[Spirell]

Just as a completely random WI guild member's take on this...

I honestly didn't know what Ektar was talking about, and that is why I didn't respond in shout until one of the officers told me too. He just did a shout that just said "roll call". I wasn't sure if that was a roll call for a raid mob, or the German translation from "camp check" (there were 2 responses of "royals" and "bnb" to that roll call btw, so I wasn't the only one confused)

I appreciate that IB was cool about it and informed us that it is usually done that waym (but FYI they did call a 30 minute timer on us right after we responded, so not like they were letting us slide). I guess I was looking for a little more than just "roll call" in shout.. maybe like a "Roll call for naggy spawn" or "roll call check on WI" or "IB initiating a 60 second roll call check on WI" or something with a little more information. As it was it was a non-issue, and no other guild was in zone with 15 plus, so I am perplexed as to why this thread started in the first place. If anything this was only an issue between IB and WI.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

I believe in both these instances the petitions were handled by Xzerion.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

^ server rule.

[G13]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

This is not entirely the truth

Otto was purposely aggroing golems to keep DT's going to slow DA down

That's a violation of the rules

[Disappointed]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back when Fish Bait existed, Draco spawned...

Transcendance had first 15, was clearing, and got first engage on draco. IB had second 15. FB had third. Trans was fighting Draco, it was getting close (a wipe may or may not have happened, uncertain), IB was waiting for them to finish one way or another when FB came in, got the kill, looted and scooted. FB had a few members suspended (might've been salty? and someone, uncertain, you'd hafta ask them) and the loot was removed.

A few weeks back, DA / IB were contesting a CT. IB called 50 minutes? on the two golems. IB waited their 50 minutes and managed to get the 2 golems. IB let DA have draco as per rules. IB was finishing up the trash clear when DA ran in on CT, burnt him down, looted and scooted. Apparently CT summon was (is?) only summoning 1 mob every 3 seconds, instead of all at once, making his summon a joke (with 40 players on a 32k hp mob, anyway). DA had loot removed and a few members suspended (I believe Durison was one of them).

A few quick examples for you Nilbog. On a side note: Is the CT summon fixed yet? he's simply not that dangerous in his current form.

ahh yea this is the one....

also i heard that veric got banned for whatever bullshit reason....

well i am not so sure .... but ya people were talking and discussing about this though mumble days before

but ya....pretty sure Guide are (selectively?) enforcing (some?) the rules ... don't know about developer and admin ....

[Disappointed]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who are you referring to ? Give examples of GMs enforcing player-made rules. Do it here, or privately to me.

wasn't it like DA's people got banned by a senior guide because of killed CT while IB got the claim?

the case was very similar to this case...DA camped for days...IB roll over with bunch of shit and rules and claim the boss....but DA didn't agree with IB and killed the boss eventually and get banned.

i heard that quite a few officers and loot holder got banned, and loot was deleted

does it count toward to the GMs enforcing player-made rules ?

similar case, different result.

may be DA should start thinking recruiting admin/developer/guide into your guild [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[whitebandit]

Originally Posted by Disappointed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

may be DA should start thinking recruiting admin/developer/guide into your guild [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does seem like that might be the only way to be one of the top raiding guilds.. without repercussion that is

[Uaellaen]

If I am not mistaken there are now a couple other guilds looking to enter the raid scene. Pretty sure the Big 4 never expected to maintain control of a monopoly on the raid targets so maybe now would be a good time to hold another pow wow of the leaders and reestablish/change/redistribute the player based rule set?

we agreed from the beginnign to hold a meeting every first sunday of the month ... so new guilds could also have a say in changing rules, but still would have to be agreed on by the majority ...

but peopel stopped coming to those meetings, since some guilds thought they can just come, say "no we want it this way" and have it theyr way ... wich of course didnt happen, we discussed about that for hours and hours and hours and hours until everyone was fed up ...