frowned upon, hack, or jsut plain cheating?

[Spacebar]

This is an interesting thread so far. I think I will summarize the events thus far:

MetalBDA: Hey, is it ok if TMO does this? explains possible exploit

Relapse: That's dumb, of course it's ok! Don't be silly you giant silly-goose. (proceeds to do x-rated stuff to TMO in hopes of potential free pixels in the future?)

TMO PR rep #1-3: We can neither confirm nor deny that it ever happened, but we don't use that exploit...we use others nowadays.

MetalBDA: I'm just asking if it is ok if TMO does it.

Relapse: *yum yum yum yum* TMO, this tastes wonderful! (PMs TMO: so when do I get my CoF?)

TMO PR reps: We know that exploit isn't possible here, here, here or here, but we don't do it...we promise! Also, other exploits are soooo much easier.

MetalBDA: I'm only asking because it seems that other people can't use it and it only takes a few minutes for TMO to get a guide's attention.

Relapse bla bla: * remain silent to see TMO's reaction*

TMO Rep 54238: Ss or it didn't happen.

TMO Rep 73522: We can now confirm that this lev trick is illegal and has been for a long time. This is common knowledge, people, come on! *updates pocket rules lawyer book on things to not do when other guilds might be frapsing*

Derubael: Shut up TMO, and yes it is illegal. If I see anybody doing it, I will respond. Don't do stuff that you know is wrong. Also, app more mages.

Spacebar: *in before thread lock*

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Originally Posted by Spacebar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an interesting thread so far. I think I will summarize the events thus far:

MetalBDA: Hey, is it ok if TMO does this? explains possible exploit

Relapse et al: That's dumb, of course it's ok! Don't be silly you giant silly-goose. (proceeds to do x-rated stuff to TMO in hopes of potential free pixels in the future?)

TMO PR rep #1-3: We can neither confirm nor deny that it ever happened, but we don't use that exploit...we use others nowadays.

MetalBDA: I'm just asking if it is ok if TMO does it.

Relaps et al: *yum yum yum yum* TMO, this tastes wonderful! (PMs TMO: so when do I get my CoF?)

TMO PR reps: We know that exploit isn't possible here, here, here or here, but we don't do it...we promise! Also, other exploits are soooo much easier.

MetalBDA: I'm only asking because it seems that other people can't use it and it only takes a few minutes for TMO to get a guide's attention.

Relapse et al: * remain silent to see TMO's reaction*

TMO Rep 54238: Ss or it didn't happen.

TMO Rep 73522: We can now confirm that this lev trick is illegal and has been for a long time. This is common knowledge, people, come on! *updates pocket rules lawyer book on things to not do when other guilds might be frapsing*

Derubael: Shut up TMO, and yes it is illegal. If I see anybody doing it, I will respond. Don't do stuff that you know is wrong. Also, app more mages.

Spacebar: *in before thread lock*

It's totally not illegal, next thing you guys will be saying it's illegal to fall without taking fall damage.

[Derubael]

If you're exploiting your client to gain an advantage, consider it against the rules.

If you're using it to get yourself stuck in the middle of KC in DL, consider yourself a goofball.

[Colgate]

fraps'd/reported someone doing this in KC to get on the walls at the entrance, was told it was not an exploit since "anyone can do it" despite the fact that it does not work for me when i try

[Derubael]

Colgate - we watched your fraps, then tested it ourselves. Doing what you are describing doesn't take any client glitching.

The person in your fraps WAS glitching their client to get extra height out of their lev, but it wasn't needed in order to get over to the ledge, which is why we said it wasn't an exploit.

[Colgate]

when i run, regardless of selo's speed or not, i lose too much height to get up there; i would have to start higher up in the air to make it. the person i fraps'd probably also has the same issue, which is why, i assume, they were doing it

however, i'm also unable to window drag to gain height with levitate on, so i'm fucked either way

[Lanzellot]

Rellapse 35 will be my new forum hero /salut you gained lanzellot on your side

that mr bean graphic is awesome too and is the answer to most of the forumfolks here[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimjam]

I'm sure most people have realised Lev bob rate is decided by client FPS (frames per second).

Based on this I think the technique is to get a low FPS during the up bob (so you spend more time travelling up) and low FPS during the down bob (so you spend less time travelling down). This could be achieved by sliding the 'max fps' slider in the options window back and forth or clicking in and out of the EQ window (for some reason EQ runs slower fps when not the active window).

Alternatively it might be players just jam them selves into a corner during the down bob (so they don't sink) and step back during the up bob, allowing them to slowly climb.

For the people who are saying it doesn't work for them; I guess you doing it wrong, you only want to be slowing the frames per second during the up bob (to make it last longer). If you just click out the window and keep it like that of course you are going to just sink (because you'll be getting huge down bobs too).

[HawkMasterson1999]

I cant seem to get much higher than a barbarians head before it just starts breaking even... And it definately feels like cheating i must say

[Castigate]

How is this a problem at all? Shit's classic as fuck. You could easily climb into Vox's chamber on live just by moving forward in a corner on the down-bobs and stopping when you go up. Alternatively as a Bard you could time it so your lev song kicked back in at the top your bobs and climb a party full of people up there with no effort on their own part, and doing nothing that I can even imagine would be considered exploiting. None of this required tabbing out or adjusting your FPS or any of that shit.

If timing spellcasts and twisting songs are both illegal then we have a much bigger problem.