First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Lojik]

How bout just make all these guys spawn every couple hours but just significantly reduce drop rates...give some more people a chance to experience endgame content.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what I've gathered, all this controversy has to do with 2 TMO beating 10 FE/IB on FTE for VS, and then stalling until the rest of their force showed up. You have 2 people in your guild, what's to prevent you from doing the same thing?

I don't want to do the same thing. I want to stop it from happening, because the mechanic is flawed and is being exploited.

Here's an example for you:

Team A has 20 people sitting at VS while Team B has 2;
VS spawns, and Team B (for whatever reason) FTEs;
Team A has a force that can engage and kill VS, Team B doesn't;
Team B batphones and within 60 seconds DOES have a force that can kill VS;
Team A is unable to do shit because 2 people were able to FTE and stall for 1 minute.

Does that shit seem fair to you? Similar shit happened with the last Talendor. TMO ended up getting the last FTE before kill, but took 7+ minutes to kite him while more of their members logged on. He was sniped by a force that was ready to engage immediately.

[Cecily]

You've been raiding this server for about 2-3 weeks. Winter isn't coming. Get used to failing with that crew.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been raiding this server for about 2-3 weeks. Winter isn't coming. Get used to failing with that crew.

I can take arguing with someone like Alarti. He's a longstanding TMO member and has been on the server for a long time. You, on the other hand, are a Forceful Entry product and have been in TMO for a few months? Relax, lets try to keep this discussion constructive.

P.S. I've been on the server and raiding a lot longer than 2-3 weeks. List the server firsts you've been at and i'll list mine.

[Visual]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Team A has 20 people sitting at VS while Team B has 2;

Maybe align with another guild and sock spawnpoints with 30-40?

[Cecily]

Pretty sure I joined the server after you guys did those server firsts. Positive that no one but IB cares about them. And it's been a few months x2 tyvm.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to do the same thing. I want to stop it from happening, because the mechanic is flawed and is being exploited.

Here's an example for you:

Team A has 20 people sitting at VS while Team B has 2;
VS spawns, and Team B (for whatever reason) FTEs;
Team A has a force that can engage and kill VS, Team B doesn't;
Team B batphones and within 60 seconds DOES have a force that can kill VS;
Team A is unable to do shit because 2 people were able to FTE and stall for 1 minute.

Does that shit seem fair to you? Similar shit happened with the last Talendor. TMO ended up getting the last FTE before kill, but took 7+ minutes to kite him while more of their members logged on. He was sniped by a force that was ready to engage immediately.

A) It is fair because both parties can do it
B) I'm done arguing with you since I can't have a logical argument with someone who keeps changing their opinion. First you have to beat TMO with numbers, and now you have to beat TMO by exploiting.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

Make these numbers the maximum to engage. Banish anyone who engages Trakanon after #12 on the hate list.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make these numbers the maximum to engage. Banish anyone who engages Trakanon after #12 on the hate list.

Fuck, i'd take that too... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cecily]

Team A has a 10 to 1 advantage on getting FTE assuming people are paying attention. Team B is playing a much harder game. How we do things works, ok? You just seem mad it didn't work out for you.