WTB dat pvp patch!

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lifetap was never coded this way. Whatever damage you do is what you receive as a heal. Try lifetapping someone that's invulnerable or manaskinned, you'll get nothing back.

So yes, Deflux always did 219 dmg in pvp which is why it's an overrated spell (much like Splurt) and why necros are garbage post 50 -- which is classic. Necros sucked balls from 51-60 and were completely absent from pvp servers.

what the fuck? lol dont even know

[Sektor]

A paladin is very low DPS and this is my first melee class I got serious with I'm doing better and eventually I will be one of those top paly.

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well, fixing resists is a indirect buffs as deflux will heal back hopefully partialed dmg for full dmg since u cant partial lifetaps

in addition if my memory serves me correctly on live deflux/ne lifetap would heal the necro back for its full pve dmg as opposed to the partial'd #, here you get back only 66%, that extra 100ish hp from ur lifetap in a heal is p game changing for necros

so on live if deflux did 500dmg pve, it would do say 300 dmg pvp but the necro would still self heal for 500 dmg, the heal part of the lifetap is essentially nerfed here atm.. i could b wrong was awhile ago, but since the first day i picked up the necro class here i felt slightly neutered

No your right the returned heal was 100% even tho the nuke portion was minus close to 33%.

But necro's didn't get life back for taping victims with skins. Pretty much the same thing as enchanter they couldn't theft mobs that didn't have mana. If the tap did no dmg they got no life back. Of course this didn't apply to Vexing or lifetap dot which always bypassed skins like every dot.

I THINK later on they changed it so a necro couldn't tap more life than in pool because I remember necro's used to tap like gnoll pups and get full amount restored and at some point they changed that, just don't remember when.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lifetap was never coded this way. Whatever damage you do is what you receive as a heal. Try lifetapping someone that's invulnerable or manaskinned, you'll get nothing back.

So yes, Deflux always did 219 dmg in pvp which is why it's an overrated spell (much like Splurt) and why necros are garbage post 50 -- which is classic. Necros sucked balls from 51-60 and were completely absent from pvp servers.

It was always that way on live you didn't get life returned when u tapped someone DA'd or skinned, the dmg portion had to land for life regain portion. I did very well with my necro on rallos, I remember absolutely crushing every druid I ever fought.

[karsten]

pvp patch helps everyone that matters

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No your right the returned heal was 100% even tho the nuke portion was minus close to 33%.

But necro's didn't get life back for taping victims with skins. Pretty much the same thing as enchanter they couldn't theft mobs that didn't have mana. If the tap did no dmg they got no life back. Of course this didn't apply to Vexing or lifetap dot which always bypassed skins like every dot.

I THINK later on they changed it so a necro couldn't tap more life than in pool because I remember necro's used to tap like gnoll pups and get full amount restored and at some point they changed that, just don't remember when.



It was always that way on live you didn't get life returned when u tapped someone DA'd or skinned, the dmg portion had to land for life regain portion. I did very well with my necro on rallos, I remember absolutely crushing every druid I ever fought.

Lifetaps did 66% dmg and healed for 66% health. It was always this way. Vexing didn't have this problem because Vexing is 2 spell components, a debuff on the target and a buff on the caster. The coding didn't reflect the dmg nerf on the buff.

Also I'm glad you beat up some newbie druids post 50, but Necros were not good in pvp post 50.

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lifetaps did 66% dmg and healed for 66% health. It was always this way. Vexing didn't have this problem because Vexing is 2 spell components, a debuff on the target and a buff on the caster. The coding didn't reflect the dmg nerf on the buff.

Also I'm glad you beat up some newbie druids post 50, but Necros were not good in pvp post 50.

NOPE maybe if you actually played on live you'd know this but Thrilla said it correctly.

Lifetap portion always healed full amount! And vexing suffered the same dmg nerf every dot did.

Seriously how old are you? prolly like 25 or younger claiming you played on live! lol

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NOPE maybe if you actually played on live you'd know this but Thrilla said it correctly.

Lifetap portion always healed full amount! And vexing suffered the same dmg nerf every dot did.

Seriously how old are you? prolly like 25 or younger claiming you played on live! lol

Played a necro since the first day on Vallon Zek. You and Thrilla are completely wrong. Please go find a screenshot of Deflux healing for 330 in pvp. You can't because it never happened.

Also I didn't talk about Vexing's damage component, just the healing buff.

[Runya]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well, fixing resists is a indirect buffs as deflux will heal back hopefully partialed dmg for full dmg since u cant partial lifetaps

in addition if my memory serves me correctly on live deflux/ne lifetap would heal the necro back for its full pve dmg as opposed to the partial'd #, here you get back only 66%, that extra 100ish hp from ur lifetap in a heal is p game changing for necros

so on live if deflux did 500dmg pve, it would do say 300 dmg pvp but the necro would still self heal for 500 dmg, the heal part of the lifetap is essentially nerfed here atm.. i could b wrong was awhile ago, but since the first day i picked up the necro class here i felt slightly neutered

If my memory serves me correctly it did 100% and healed 100% pvp.it always did 330 bro.......remember when crits came out and 1440 was damage on 720 damage touch of nights?? I remember crit heals multiplied was correct on the heal portion.....I remembered non crits healing for 1440 on crit heals.....idk seemed atleast one half did full if not both the heal/damage portions. I could possible dig up an old ss or two

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Runya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If my memory serves me correctly it did 100% and healed 100% pvp.

LOL nope.

[Dullah]

Hopefully resists will be somewhere in between current and classic, but more favorable to classic.

The thing about classic pvp was that not only did many people not know about the advantages of resist gear, they did not have the knowledge of how to acquire said gear nor was this gear as easy to obtain as it is on a 100~ pop server. This is very different from how it is today, and will mean 90% of players will be almost completely immune to most spells. This is one of the reasons pvp resists changed so dramatically after velious.

What they need to do is take the current resist code and cut the resist threshold in half. Currently you need 150~ to get reliable resists. Make that 75~ and add in the classic complete resists that scale up in likelihood as you go over 100+ save.

This would account for everyone playing in BIS resist gear and velious without spells being completely OP the way Null had it set up.