No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

This is the person though, not the class. We could discuss the population of this server. Since most of you fit in the same demographic, I'll offend most of you P~ I'll also offend the guys I play with every night when I explain how when they all get together, their maturity level drops about 15 years...

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

Oh wow, I'm sorry bards pulled outside their designated spots...wait, who the fuck are you to tell anyone where they can and cannot pull from again?

[indiscriminate_hater]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a highly adventurous and amazing person who resides currently on P99.

Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell I even gave over 4k away in items to noobs a few days ago

Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over.

Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT

just... wat

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

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[Buma]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:



Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous



Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?



Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.




just... wat



Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

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Dude you quoted me and took everything I said out of context to disprove me or make me look like less of a credible person. Have you read anything I posted? The posts and quotes you did are towards other peoples posts, they have no merit or exceptions to quote those things that pertain to this thread. I really hate people like you, making something that isn't there into something. I bet you think ghosts are real too, probably one of those CONSPIRACY people who thinks the World Trade Center buildings fell down because of explosives. Fuck off trying to make stuff up. Quote me and discuss something real instead of making shit up and taking out of context.

[Swish]

SoW an evil caster or group of casters (DE wizard perfect)... get him/them to level 1 nuke everything in sight where the offending bard is pulling.

Wizard runs to OT outpost, guards/golems/gargoyles etc then spend the next 5-10 minutes cutting through the train.

Nobody wins, but if the bards aren't playing fair the only thing left to do (if petitions aren't working to stop it) is deny them the zone.

(it really shouldn't come to that)

[Swish]

Also Amelinda was very anti-bard swarm kiting during peak hours, I know she's no longer here but it would be nice to see a similar stance from the current GMs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also Amelinda was very anti-bard swarm kiting during peak hours, I know she's no longer here but it would be nice to see a similar stance from the current GMs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

She probably only had the stance because she was paid to have it. Terrible GM was terrible.

[Weekapaug]

It's already been covered, my friend. I'm not going to go back and pick through everything because you can't read and comprehend. It's right there in what you quoted before. LOL

Hint: Stop reading what you want the rules to say and actually read what they say.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realized I'm wrong and now I refuse to acknowledge it.

Well put.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well put.

Ah yes, the other surefire indicator you are dealing with a prizewinning idiot. The edited quote. That's never been done before. And so clever, too.

Seriously, if you actually go back and read your quote....as in really read it, skippy....I know that's hard but if you go slowly enough and repeat as necessary I know you can do it.....You will see what I'm talking about.