WoW so followed EQ

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long did the masses wait for that garbage?

Years and so disappointed.

Also kag, I MIGHT have to put you on ignore because of your new avatar. I can handle the anime stuff but the constant shaking is going to give me a seizure

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Years and so disappointed.

Also kag, I MIGHT have to put you on ignore because of your new avatar. I can handle the anime stuff but the constant shaking is going to give me a seizure

I liked the #YOLO I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it while sleep deprived as all hell this morning.

[Nedala]

Many members of the WoW staff played eq once.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many members of the WoW staff played eq once.

They are prolly all hooked on farmville. Games like WoW get built from marketing research.

[Tork]

I'd mostly agree - except to say anything after PoP should be written out of EQ.

I don't want to kill space aliens, I want to kill dragons and demons and Gods. I want simple story arcs with loads of lore and special events, places and people.

And EQ mostly delivered on that up to PoP, even including SoL, which was horrible and ruined the sense of community with Nexus/Bazaar and don't get me started on those horrific new models, but EXCLUDING LDON - instancing destroys what is central to EQ (or at least to EQ's playerbase), which is contested content and the shared experience. More to the point, you cannot have a hero without a villain, and all those contested points of contact provided just the right stage and just the right amount of friction to make it all work.

Why are lguk and os so much fun? The frogs? Well, yes in part - but the lore is only part of it - think of all the ways shit went bad in those zones, and how much a part of your player experience was built on those memories - the good ones.

The subculture which formed in that communal experience was amazing - grinding out hell levels, camping rare spawns, ninja/ks'ing named, and all the /ooc magic in groups filled with a rotating cast of characters are what made it fun - not getting yet another disposable piece of loot.

Anyhow, I'm not sure how VI/Sony lost their way afterward, however - or why they cannot seem to get the train back on the tracks. I understand GoD and OOW were linked in development, but they'd have been so much better off to have taken a mea culpa, halted development and turned out something the players liked and enjoyed - because given them what they thought they wanted (yet another piece of disposable loot) was completely unsatisfying in the long run.

Speaking of long run, I might as well throw it out there Nexus and PoK helped ruin the world by making the world too small - part of EQ was being swallowed up in it. The run to NTOV is epic - doing CR there is painful, but rewarding... how utterly forgettable is it so click on a book?

I'd rant more, but I'm sleepy exhausted - suffice it to say EQ, even with its warts, had the right formula - if people see analogues in WoW, good.

[Sparkin]

I'd say great, can't wait til WoW releases its GoD expansion so that people stop playing that boring pile of shit and every game company making an MMO stops trying to emulate it.. except that'd mean GoD is still 1..2..3..4..5 expansions away. So at Blizzard's glacial development pace the players won't start leaving in droves for another 10 years at the least. How sad.

[Yrahcaz]

Originally Posted by Tork [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd mostly agree - except to say anything after PoP should be written out of EQ.

I don't want to kill space aliens, I want to kill dragons and demons and Gods. I want simple story arcs with loads of lore and special events, places and people.

And EQ mostly delivered on that up to PoP, even including SoL, which was horrible and ruined the sense of community with Nexus/Bazaar and don't get me started on those horrific new models, but EXCLUDING LDON - instancing destroys what is central to EQ (or at least to EQ's playerbase), which is contested content and the shared experience. More to the point, you cannot have a hero without a villain, and all those contested points of contact provided just the right stage and just the right amount of friction to make it all work.

Why are lguk and os so much fun? The frogs? Well, yes in part - but the lore is only part of it - think of all the ways shit went bad in those zones, and how much a part of your player experience was built on those memories - the good ones.

The subculture which formed in that communal experience was amazing - grinding out hell levels, camping rare spawns, ninja/ks'ing named, and all the /ooc magic in groups filled with a rotating cast of characters are what made it fun - not getting yet another disposable piece of loot.

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Speaking of long run, I might as well throw it out there Nexus and PoK helped ruin the world by making the world too small - part of EQ was being swallowed up in it. The run to NTOV is epic - doing CR there is painful, but rewarding... how utterly forgettable is it so click on a book?

I'd rant more, but I'm sleepy exhausted - suffice it to say EQ, even with its warts, had the right formula - if people see analogues in WoW, good.

YES!

The open world. The contested content. The griefers. The trains. The Ninjas and KS'ers. The hero 'ubers' that would stand at zone lines slaughtering trains in newbie zones, tossing buffs at random.

Coming home from whatever, sitting down and chatting with people that you've gotten to know over the course of days/months/years. Getting all prepared, starting to buff up, and having *that other guild* come in and start doing the same... AND THE RACE IS ON!

/waving at the guy that you've seen fishing at the same spot for a week trying to get enough to grind through another few tradeskill levels... as you're on your way to whatever spot to try and grind through some more XP.

The beauty of the non-instanced, huge world that we were all emersed in was the unexpected.

I remember finally getting the people together for those raids into Sky, Fear, and Hate for my duckstick. Having the entire group come with me, collecting people as we went, a rolling party the whole way back to Kazen for my final turn in.

I miss those days. I miss that experience. Unless there comes a time where a real, open world game with the community like EQ is released, I doubt that anything will even come close.

Given how real life has changed since 1999, I don't think I'd even have the time to play it.

/mourn Hell, I'm almost as bummed typing this as I was the day I called farewell to Steamfont, sat at the feet of my original Gnecro guildmaster, and /quit for the last time.

[quellren]

No matter how hard one tries, you just cannot capture the sense of enormity, grandeur and peril of EQ. That's not to say there aren't some things that WoW does right, but EQ did so much more right. The kids that started with WoW and DAoC just won't ever understand the need for community, teamwork and, for lack of better term: Not pooping in your own backyard.

I could expound on this for pages, all the things that I love and hate about EQ, but if you're reading this, I'm preaching to the choir.

One thing I will say, I'm thrilled to see the old EQ community is still there, mostly just like I remember it. Seems like the 'WoW mentality' hasn't really infected here.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The kids that started with WoW and DAoC just won't ever understand the need for community, teamwork and, for lack of better term: Not pooping in your own backyard.

Man, I have friends that love EQ but won't even touch the DAoC emu server because that game is so hardcore. Strange to lump it with WoW.

Same guy who had more than 1 50 on P99 gave up the DAoC grind.

[EvilMallet]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, I have friends that love EQ but won't even touch the DAoC emu server because that game is so hardcore. Strange to lump it with WoW.

Same guy who had more than 1 50 on P99 gave up the DAoC grind.

I remember the only raid our realm could get on my server was the dragon in the far south corner of Hibernia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]