A proposed PvP Teams ruleset: Modified SZ (long)

[Velus]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any server where I can't attack whoever I want is a blue server IMO.

To me Red is a pseudo-blue server. No exp loss, and because everyone can join every guild, it allows for one guild to gain dominance and strong-arm everyone into joining them. On SZ this simply wasn't a possibility, as even though there was Ruin and then Hate which had clear dominance on the server... they also still had massive opposition from the Goods and Newts simply because those two faction were unable to group/guild with the Evils.

Anyway, as also is outlined in the OP's post, the evil force would be able to fight among themselves... which would essentially create a FFA PvP team.

[heartbrand]

Teams won't fix the guild issue, look at blue you have over a thousand players and no one can contest TMO. One guild will still dominate this server welcome to classic eq working as classically intended.

[Rec]

I am not buying people not liking Sullon Zek. The server had the biggest pvp names and it was the place to be. It's much more likely that people don't want to give up the dominance they have over the other 50 people on the FFA server

[Velus]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teams won't fix the guild issue, look at blue you have over a thousand players and no one can contest TMO. One guild will still dominate this server welcome to classic eq working as classically intended.

I get the feeling that you never played on SZ, and are making statements around something you have no experience with.

The reason it worked there is primarily because of 2 simple points.
1) The teams were hard coded. Meaning people were 'forced' to hate each other. Everyone with a red name was your enemy, and was to be stopped/killed. Everyone with a blue name was your ally. There was no mamby-pamby shit of "You're my enemy and I will kill you!.... Oh wait. Your guild can help me get epic loots? Never mind, I love you guys and here's my app!".

2) Trains were allowed. Your guild is about to take down Trak? Well clearly no one will be able to stop you, as you guys are in position and are just finishing last minute buffs to-OH SHIT. A bard just zoned in and I'm sure he has Selo's Song of Travel on, and he's headed right for your raid with every single mob in the zone in-tow.
This happened all the time, and many raids were ended because of it. Raids would start setting up advanced groups to intercept any training and protect the raid itself from the wipe.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teams won't fix the guild issue, look at blue you have over a thousand players and no one can contest TMO. One guild will still dominate this server welcome to classic eq working as classically intended.

Look, it's quite obvious you either haven't read my proposal in detail, lack the intelligence to understand it, or are so hopelessly immersed in Red that you reflexively shit all over the idea of another server because it would threaten your guild's monopoly of pixels on Red.

My proposal includes the idea of serverwide advance shouts for raid mobs plus a small variance. This would make it much harder for a single guild to dominate PvE, since the entire server would have an hour warning on each boss spawn and would be able to contest for the mob with PvP. Additionally, the spawns couldn't be locked down with respawns precisely timed to the minute as happens with no variance on Red now, which means guilds couldn't reliably lock down spawns during off-peak hours.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any server where I can't attack whoever I want is a blue server IMO.

You are on a server where you can't attack 2/3 of the people in your range and you play a lot. Don't even act like you have free will on this server. You are restricted by something much more powerful than hard coded rules.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are on a server where you can't attack 2/3 of the people in your range and you play a lot. Don't even act like you have free will on this server. You are restricted by something much more powerful than hard coded rules.

negative because I have the option to deguild @ any time of my choosing and kill people. if my guild pisses me off and I dont like em? I can deguild and go to town on them. Team server? im fucked

[heartbrand]

here's wut u people dont get. velious is going to take 60 active people @ any one time to down targets, this has been confirmed by current beta testing where 45-55 + people are getting raped currently. all the PVEr's will flock to that guild, there aren't enough people out there to sustain teams.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by heartbrand

Any server where I can't attack whoever I want is a blue server IMO.

No one believes that you really think that. If it was Chewie or someone who said this, everyone would believe him because that's how he has always rolled on this server. It sounds like you're just coming up with random arguments that suit you, not what you really think.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one believes that you really think that. If it was Chewie or someone who said this, everyone would believe him because that's how he has always rolled on this server. It sounds like you're just coming up with random arguments that suit you, not what you really think.

then surprise surprise anon forum troll, u dont no me