Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Acrux Bcrux]

Ive always wanted to mass aoe kite KC with another bard, but there would be crying.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Acrux Bcrux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive always wanted to mass aoe kite KC with another bard, but there would be crying.

I AoE'd in CoM almost 2 years ago when the place was pretty much dead. Crazy xp...horribad pathing tho.

[Conky]

I got my bard over 50 just by kiting but it does not mean you have to be a douche about it, I would wait for off hours to do south karana, I would dot my mobs to pull them, and if people where soloing I would leave the mobs by them alone or invite them for exp. Im a bard and saying OT, BW ect are "bard zones" too bad if you get killed or get no mobs is just dumb anyone can exp where they want, I kited over 50 levels and never killed anyone and if someone got upset at me for taking too many mobs I would invite them to group. Whats wrong with being nice? I just wish more people tried it.

[zanderklocke]

Regardless, I feel like this thread pops up every few weeks. I think it's just a sign the server is healthy and people are fighting for mobs. I mean, once people realized how fast and easy bards can level with or without low-hp, everyone began making bards. When I started on the server, I think bard was the third least played class behind paladin and ranger, and now, things have changed.

[Durka]

I really don't care if its a 'bard zone', if I am getting PL'd by a friend or if 'this is how bards level'

Really, its disrespect and a waste of time. Nobody should have to "work around" another player just cause they swarm a zone. Fuck that. If I wanna camp at "mudpit" in OT, I should have no issues. If a bard runs through, swipes all the mobs and I fight a tiger, all of that bards tigers WILL socially aggro me because I am actively killing a tiger vs just proximity aggroing a mob.

If the bard aggroes every mob in the zone, thats their deal. I cant hate on that. I can only hate on getting me killed numerous times due to lack of respect AND understanding of how social aggro works.

All of the other fluff about this being a non-issue is just defending dickheadery. EQ is a sandbox for EVERYONE to play in. If you cant play nice, GTFO. OT is not a bard zone.

It's everyone's.

[mreynert]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck that. If I wanna camp at "mudpit" in OT, I should have no issues.

That's like saying you can park yourself in the middle of an interstate highway and the rest of the world has to accommodate you. Move 50 yards to the wall, pull there, no issues for anyone. You taking this stand saying bards are evil, they can't play their way, but everyone must bow to my wishes makes you look just as bad.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bard runs through, swipes all the mobs and I fight a tiger, all of that bards tigers WILL socially aggro me because I am actively killing a tiger vs just proximity aggroing a mob.

What you just said isn't always entirely correct just FYI. If he only runs by them and gets them by proximity aggro, what you explained can happen. However, if the bard actually engages them (snare/damage/etc) rather than getting body aggro, they will not attack you.

Essentially, when the bard is aggroing mobs onto you, s/he is just being careless and using body aggro on KOS mobs.

Not that this charges your point in this thread, but it might clarify why you would or wouldn't get mobs attacking you.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe if all of the mobs involved are green to the bard, I don't think his body aggro on a mob will pop it onto you if he runs by. Not entirely sure about this.

Last, I guess I don't understand what the point of this thread is aside from people sharing bad experiences they've had with bards or others defending bards. The mechanics of bard AEing exists in the game, and the problem lies with people utilizing this mechanic sloppily rather than the bard class itself. With that being said, what do you hope to gain from this thread aside from a PSA of your frustration? I mean every single bard that doesn't have his or her head under a rock has heard these complaints before. I don't mean my question in a hostile manner; I just don't see anything coming from this discussion. It seems like maybe it's something better fit for the Rants and Flames section of the forums.

Until bard AEing is nerfed, which is not likely, things are not going to change in zones where bards can AE. Too many bards just don't give a shit or are sloppy.

[Durka]

Umm, you are telling me to move so a bard can swarm? No, screw that. Bards need to avoid training. Simple solution. Just follow the rules.

Bards dont own a zone. The server does. The main rule is here is "play nice"

I dont care if a bard pulls every mob. If they get me killed in the process then its a problem.

[mreynert]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, you are telling me to move so a bard can swarm? No, screw that. Bards need to avoid training. Simple solution. Just follow the rules.

Bards dont own a zone. The server does. The main rule is here is "play nice"

I dont care if a bard pulls every mob. If they get me killed in the process then its a problem.

Actually no, I did not say this at all. Everyone pulls from center, mobs always pathing here and there. If they say, overpull and die, go LD and die, and their mobs come running back onto you as a "train" because you decided to fight in the middle of the interstate, it's your own dumb fault.

Pull to the wall, this is not advice to avoid problem from bards alone, but everyone anywhere ever.

[Valere]

Any bard worth his salt should know how far behind him his train is at all times. There is no excuse for retarded bards running their swarm over KC, except for that of their inability to properly play their class.

I swarmed on my bard to mid 50's and only had one complaint on my swarming (was in SK, Aviak tower). How could this have happened? Because I'm not a giant dongle head when I swarm (which most bards these days appear to be, especially the ones getting paid to PL in OT). When I swarmed OT leveling I would always leave 1-2 mob types alone so people would still have something to XP off of. It slows your XP (or more pertinent to the dongle heads, PL speed), but it allows other people to actually utilize the zone besides the ones swarming.