Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[musashi1612]

I would agree with sirken on the all guilds need to agree on somthing but we all know thats never gonna happen so exclude the douche bags that you know will not accept the Terms and discuss those Terms with the guilds that are willing to comply Then Maybe Just maybe Sirkens point of making them come to the table will be valid.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you clearly missed what i was saying. you say players doing most of the training do it because they want to, maybe instead of assuming how much time i spend in VP, you should be thinking of ways to remove their incentive for training you. or train them back.

i love that you added, "GuildA decided as a guild not to train and then got corpse camped". First of all, who cares what one guild says or dictates? second, its laughable to think that they thought they wouldnt get trained in a zone that sees more trains than grand central station, simply because THEY decided not to train.

all the guilds need to agree to something or it doesnt work. and sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire until the other sides are willing to come to the table and talk.

if you do not force them to the discussion table with your actions, why would they agree to anything? i know i surely would not.

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PS- as for the guy that said he will train anyone not in his guild, well, hes not a guild leader, and if his GL tells him to knock it off, he will. but currently its open season, and hunters are gonna hunt

Zeelot will never tell someone that they can't train a competing guild in VP, You can put that on the list of shit that will never happen right up under instances and luclin.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Considering FE is the only one training a guild in VP for the past few months.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Or you guys could say "Stop being douchebags and don't train or you will get suspended". I understand you like the carnage on servers and the bitching and whining that happens but there are toolbags in all guilds that unless you say something isnt allowed they will do whatever they want. Training is a douchebags move anyway you put it. It should be limited to red and that is it.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Tasslehof is not a good choice for "getting guilds together."

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire until the other sides are willing to come to the table and talk.

if you do not force them to the discussion table with your actions, why would they agree to anything? i know i surely would not.

Griefing like a certain FE monk does is not "actions." It's certainly not competition, which is the only thing that would bring any guild to the table.

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP was rotated between TMO and IB. This is because it was initially agreed upon, and then broken via a backstab. We agreed AGAIN to rotate mobs with IB, which was later broken again.

IB also woke the sleeper for kicks on eqmac. They'll do it here too. Unless Rogean decides to make VP/ST fully red, training is the only way to circumvent this kind of stupidity.

You people don't know what you're asking when you ask for "play nice policies." You really don't understand the kind of scum that VD/FE/IB really is (for the most part; there are some who aren't so bad), who will use these same policies to destroy the fun you think you would get as a result by, yes, waking the sleeper when Velious is released here.

Someone has the link to the thread on EQMAC on waking sleeper (Getsome: IB's infamous leader); I don't have the time to dig it up.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tasslehof is not a good choice for "getting guilds together."



Griefing like a certain FE monk does is not "actions." It's certainly not competition, which is the only thing that would bring any guild to the table.



IB also woke the sleeper for kicks on eqmac. They'll do it here too. Unless Rogean decides to make VP/ST fully red, training is the only way to circumvent this kind of stupidity.

You people don't know what you're asking when you ask for "play nice policies." You really don't understand the kind of scum that VD/FE/IB really is (for the most part; there are some who aren't so bad), who will use these same policies to destroy the fun you think you would get as a result by, yes, waking the sleeper when Velious is released here.

Someone has the link to the thread on EQMAC on waking sleeper (Getsome: IB's infamous leader); I don't have the time to dig it up.

12 ish jerks with pop gear ,5 levels, and max AA, and mq2 heal chains is not the same as convincing 30 to 40 to kill very difficult warders for the era.

[pasi]

I'm all for training provided it applies to all raid zones. My playtime would double if I could roleplay a neophyte of Veeshan protecting the sacred Temple from treasure hunters.

It would also make sense to make zones with permitted-training PvP as training is usually deemed more hardcore-PvP than player combat.

Always seemed weird to me to have training permitted without PvP enabled.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tasslehof is not a good choice for "getting guilds together."



Griefing like a certain FE monk does is not "actions." It's certainly not competition, which is the only thing that would bring any guild to the table.



IB also woke the sleeper for kicks on eqmac. They'll do it here too. Unless Rogean decides to make VP/ST fully red, training is the only way to circumvent this kind of stupidity.

You people don't know what you're asking when you ask for "play nice policies." You really don't understand the kind of scum that VD/FE/IB really is (for the most part; there are some who aren't so bad), who will use these same policies to destroy the fun you think you would get as a result by, yes, waking the sleeper when Velious is released here.

Someone has the link to the thread on EQMAC on waking sleeper (Getsome: IB's infamous leader); I don't have the time to dig it up.

^ Completely laughable. You act as if its SUPER IMPORTANT to keep the train scene going in vp because when sleeper comes all will want PHAT LEWTS and you don't want IB to ruin it for everyone! Lol.... You seriously are going to sit here and imply in any way whatsoever that tmo will sit back and allow peeps to get phat lewts in sleeper when velious drops, with or without a training rule, really? Kind of like with CT in fear right? No training ever happens there.

And you talk of scum in former guilds. I love how the members that leave the good family guilds like bda, go to TMO and turn into the biggest douches of all time, do you just feel you have to be more douchy then the real tmo members when you join or what? Just curious.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Well let's open that discussion right here. It doesn't have to be in private. This is a good forum for discussion right here. Let's see who is actually for or against making VP a true competition instead of who can train the best. I mean when the skill you brag about most as a player is the size of the train and how many people it killed...That sounds like PVP and not PVE.

TMO is skilled enough to kill targets without training another guild in VP. They demonstrate that when no one competes against them. Why not let all raid mobs be a race ? Just like the current ones outside of VP. They still have the numbers advantage as it stands on the server. They will still likely get most the mobs in VP with the number of keys they have for the zone and with variance they will likely have the larger force when mobs spawn at random times. Let's just discuss removing the aspect of training allowed in VP and future zones and make it a race like for any other mob. It is a benefit to all guilds to remove this. It means if you win the race you get your shot at it regardless of the size of your guild. If the larger guild can't field a force to win a race...That is on them and there should be no backdoor way out of it for anyone via training.

[sulpher01]

With this server's population, allowing it is the same as saying do it as much as possible.