Sad America

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't matter what your personal history is. The vestiges of that same white supremacist social and economic order of America affect Barack Obama, too. Do you think a person from, say, Ethiopia, who comes to America today, has never been here, has no relatives here, is going to be treated ultimately any differently from an African American who can trace their family line back to when slavery was abolished (because their entire family history was systematically wiped out prior to this time)? To the department store own, to the woman in fear for her safety and property, and the George Zimmermans of the world, you are BLACK. And that's all that matters. The color of your skin.

George Zimmerman didn't know the nationality or genealogical history of Trayvon when he profiled him, stalked him, and killed him. He only knew the color of his skin, and that's all that matters in a racist social order, friend.

I'm trying to think of a way to explain this to a person who takes literally no time or effort in trying to understand the influence of history on the lives of people today.

You need to stop toting this color above all else mentality, as you and the rest of the white guilt/Trayvon apologists are the only ones who make every fucking issue about race. Live and let live never enters your head. Times change, things have gotten better but because not every single thing is perfect you act as if nothing has changed at all. I'm not talking about the people at the top, they don't just hate black people they hate everyone, Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Middle Easterners, AND Whites.

I'm talking about society in general. Stop trying to claim that nothing has changed and stop trying to justify violence as some type of solution. Things are better today because of people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks not because of extremists like HBB's idol Malcolm X.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how out of touch can one moron be?

gz was verified not a racist by the FBI.

gz was acquitted of any wrong doing by a jury of his peers.

I'm surprised 'peers' isn't in quotes, as 5 White women and one african-american woman aren't exactly a hispanic male's peers. Yet even not being his peers they still saw the evidence as it was... go figure. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he's clearly been oppressed by the white man all his life.

yeah my point, if u go back and read it tho, is that he DOES in fact suffer racism based on his skin tone, even tho he is not what we're talking about "black american" or whatever.. Both are true, not either/or.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to stop toting this color above all else mentality, as you and the rest of the white guilt/Trayvon apologists are the only ones who make every fucking issue about race. Live and let live never enters your head. Times change, things have gotten better but because not every single thing is perfect you act as if nothing has changed at all. I'm not talking about the people at the top, they don't just hate black people they hate everyone, Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Middle Easterners, AND Whites.

I'm talking about society in general. Stop trying to claim that nothing has changed and stop trying to justify violence as some type of solution. Things are better today because of people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks not because of extremists like HBB's idol Malcolm X.

You're good at quoting but not reading, my friend.

Not gonna change the mind of a person who refuses to understand American history and how slates are never wiped clean. Is that what you honestly think..? That after MLK, the slate was wiped clean, and everything is OK now..?

You argue that "things are not perfect," and in the same breath argue that explicit institutional racism against black people specifically doesn't exist. The history and state of African Americans in this country is different from any other minority you oddly lump together into one giant group. I understand why an "Anti-'White-Guilter'" like yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy-- largely to make yourself feel better and atone for the privileges you're privy to-- but it's a self-serving and ignorant philosophy. It has no basis in statistics, power distribution, or reality.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy

pretty sure malice_moron just called you not racist

i think we might be getting somewhere

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure malice_moron just called you not racist

i think we might be getting somewhere

Good Christ, you're a proud idiot.

We can't even have a conversation about this because you're so unwilling to even have the same basic vocabulary.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're good at quoting but not reading, my friend.

Right back at ya, see why below:

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not gonna change the mind of a person who refuses to understand American history and how slates are never wiped clean. Is that what you honestly think..? That after MLK, the slate was wiped clean, and everything is OK now..?

Things have gotten better =/= Everything is all better. Stop being so desperate to prove what you call a 'point' because your stance has already been usurped and you are left with a point or two and a metric fuckton of white guilt.

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You argue that "things are not perfect," and in the same breath argue that explicit institutional racism against black people specifically doesn't exist. The history and state of African Americans in this country is different from any other minority you oddly lump together into one giant group. I understand why an "Anti-'White-Guilter'" like yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy-- largely to make yourself feel better and atone for the privileges you're privy to-- but it's a self-serving and ignorant philosophy. It has no basis in statistics, power distribution, or reality.

Atoning for privileges I'm privy to? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you honestly telling people that to be ashamed of the color of their skin they were born with?

You say that and have the nerve to call a color-blind philosophy self-serving (AKA racist)? Surly you jest.

[Daldolma]

i like to self-flagellate biweekly to atone for the sins my ancestors would have committed or tacitly supported if they had lived in america

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right back at ya, see why below:

Things have gotten better =/= Everything is all better. Stop being so desperate to prove what you call a 'point' because your stance has already been usurped and you are left with a point or two and a metric fuckton of white guilt.


Atoning for privileges I'm privy to? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you honestly telling people that to be ashamed of the color of their skin they were born with?

You say that and have the nerve to call a color-blind philosophy self-serving (AKA racist)? Surly you jest.

You talk a lot but don't make a single notable point for me to even respond to. It's incredible. You talk like a politician. Lots of rhetorical questions and bluster, but literally nothing of substance.

My point still stands. Your view of race in America is not substantiated in any way, shape or form.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk a lot but don't make a single notable point for me to even respond to. It's incredible. You talk like a politician. Lots of rhetorical questions and bluster, but literally nothing of substance.

My point still stands. Your view of race in America is not substantiated in any way, shape or form.

Translation: I look at facts and don't let my emotions distort my perception.

Sound like a politician? Don't know where you got that.