So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

which makes this whole trial a sham. there's no eliminating that doubt. just wasting taxpayer dollars to eliminate the appearance of a racist justice system

As a grown man, it's reasonable to doubt another grown man should ever feel the need to use a gun to solve a conflict with a boy whom he outweighs by a hundred pounds. Simply invoking "I was scared" should not relieve anyone from all accountability. Thus we have trials, and in this one there will be every attempt made to suss out what Zimmerman's mind-state was at the time of the incident. You may not understand the intricacies, but experts will testify to his behavioral patterns and whether or not what you call "overeagerness" was in fact something more insidious. Then the jury will decide if his invocation of self-defense is reasonable.

I hope that helps you fathom why we has trial.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a grown man, it's reasonable to doubt another grown man should ever feel the need to use a gun to solve a conflict with a boy whom he outweighs by a hundred pounds. Simply invoking "I was scared" should not relieve anyone from all accountability. Thus we have trials, and in this one there will be every attempt made to suss out what Zimmerman's mind-state was at the time of the incident. You may not understand the intricacies, but experts will testify to his behavioral patterns and whether or not what you call "overeagerness" was in fact something more insidious. Then the jury will decide if his invocation of self-defense is reasonable.

I hope that helps you fathom why we has trial.

that all sounds nice but it's ultimately incorrect

saying "i was scared" shouldn't relieve him of accountability, but given a context in which fear is reasonable, it does. case history doesn't even necessitate violence for a case of self defense, which makes this an open-and-shut case given zimmerman's injuries

it is not possible to prove his state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt. it is not possible to prove he wasn't afraid for his life, given available evidence. you can prove his "overeagerness" was borne of the most insidious of behavioral patterns, even that he was an outright bigot looking for trouble. but that's not going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman was the one that initiated physical violence or that he wasn't actually afraid for his life once he began losing the fight.

between his injuries, his account of trayvon reaching for his gun and saying "you're going to die", and his use of a single bullet, he has a compelling case for self defense. something in his account would need to be disproven for it to fail. that evidence doesn't exist

[Hasbinbad]

A great movie would be a white racist waking up black after a poorly aspected run-in with a gypsy fortune machine.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A great movie would be a white racist waking up black after a poorly aspected run-in with a gypsy fortune machine.

kafka?

[Hasbinbad]

I support anyone defending themselves against racist busybodies trying to follow you.

Whoop that ass.

[Ahldagor]

lulz to all this i a man an gonna defend me persons. do it and get sued, beaten, or killed. cops protect people from the liability they have too.

[Daldolma]

hbb would make a terrible lawyer

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

between his injuries, his account of trayvon reaching for his gun and saying "you're going to die", and his use of a single bullet, he has a compelling case for self defense. something in his account would need to be disproven for it to fail. that evidence doesn't exist

I guess this is where we differ. I agree that's an adequate defense against a first degree charge, but the crime he's accused of is more nuanced. That he recklessly and willfully created an environment wherein he caused the death of someone else is the crux of the case. It overwhelms the self-defense argument. That's why the state filed that way, I'd guess.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess this is where we differ. I agree that's an adequate defense against a first degree charge, but the crime he's accused of is more nuanced. That he recklessly and willfully created an environment wherein he caused the death of someone else is the crux of the case. It overwhelms the self-defense argument. That's why the state filed that way, I'd guess.

i think you're overstating the nuance. in order for murder of any degree to stick, the prosecution still needs to prove that zimmerman was not acting in self defense when he pulled that trigger. whether or not he was generally liable for the encounter may be supporting circumstantial to the charge of murder, but not nearly enough to convict. and it doesn't overwhelm the self defense argument.

at the end of the day, there's no way to prove what they need to prove. which is why zimmerman originally wasn't even going to be charged. when you see the prosecutor asking one of his star witnesses whether it's illegal to wear a hoodie, then asking the judge to strike his own witness's statement from the record when he says he believes zimmerman's account... that's generally not a great sign. they're grasping at straws because of the outrage from not trying the case at all

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think you're overstating the nuance. in order for murder of any degree to stick, the prosecution still needs to prove that zimmerman was not acting in self defense when he pulled that trigger. whether or not he was generally liable for the encounter may be supporting circumstantial to the charge of murder, but not nearly enough to convict. and it doesn't overwhelm the self defense argument.
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Actually, that's what the jury will decide. You can keep saying there's no way to prove what they need to prove, but you're wrong. I mean shit -- all they really need to prove is that Zimmerman is unlikeable, essentially. Court isn't very fair. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Kruel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the other day i had two people behind my house looking over my privacy fence. This was od and I was a little unsettled with it. I will say it didnt matter what color they were. They were both on opposite sides of the house I was trying to watch them both.

And yes motherfucker I had my beretta in my hand. With a "come at me bro" look on my face.

Why wouldn't you just talk to them?

Sometimes I see my neighbors in their yard and I say, "Hey Tanner! How's it goin' man?"

Other times I see kids shooting fireworks into my yard and I'm like, "Keep that shit out of my yard dudes!"

Why are you so scared? Do you live in a scary place?