Couple Questions From A Potential New Player

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I just wanted to say all the people who rag on those of us in the tunnel that don't drop trau and bend over the instant someone asks us for buffs probably don't know what it's like:

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Not pictured: the dozens of buff requests in /say that I saw during this time span.

And this has been late on a Monday night.. a SLOW night for the buff beggars. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find a barb usable dagger, go role.

[Halius]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I just wanted to say all the people who rag on those of us in the tunnel that don't drop trau and bend over the instant someone asks us for buffs probably don't know what it's like:

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Not pictured: the dozens of buff requests in /say that I saw during this time span.

And this has been late on a Monday night.. a SLOW night for the buff beggars. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^ this. This is why I do not roam around asking for buffs from people. I try and level myself with the spells/skills I have and leave it at that. I want the classic experience where someone just randomly buffs you and you are eternally grateful because you are a god for 10-30 minutes. Just because the server is old and there are a bunch of high level players I do not assume that I will get handouts. I just want to play the game I love and if I get buffs on the way that is cool.

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think I'm the center of the universe, I just don't see why everyone tries to sugar coat the community to new players. They should know exactly what they are getting into.

EDIT: I just hope that new players will see enough posts to realize that this server is not what is marketed by the majority of the forum. They can hopefully avoid being indoctrinated into believing everyone on the server has your best interest at heart.

You know, maybe thats why so many new players get scammed these days. Sunshine and rainbows don't steal all your platinum.

I viewed these forums for 2 months before I even decided to play on here. I still decided to play and have loved it every time I log on. In a game where there are no instanced dungeons and an open world environment there are always going to be people who want to troll each other. There is competition, and as I have said numerous times before, that is what makes this game better than other MMOs, there is real world competition, not the shitty instanced shit where you walk through like a robot and don't even converse with people you play with. This game is no different than it was early on the live servers (if you played on a populated server), end game content in an open world environment is always going to have contention, that shouldn't take away from the 99% of the other parts of the game that are great.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I just wanted to say all the people who rag on those of us in the tunnel that don't drop trau and bend over the instant someone asks us for buffs probably don't know what it's like:


Not pictured: the dozens of buff requests in /say that I saw during this time span.

And this has been late on a Monday night.. a SLOW night for the buff beggars. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

I especially love the people who feel that the buff you give them isn't good enough. Cast a hero, where is the symbol? Really? Or the level 20s that ask you to run halfway across the world to CR & Rez them... ./facepalm.

If your concept of a good community is defined by high levels running around handing out expensive loot & buffs all over the place then you are going to not have a good time.

If your concept of a good community is friendly people to group with while leveling and high levels generally being more than willing to give advice & answer questions then you will have a good time.

[LiQuid]

I just looked you up and no offense but you're only level 4. I'm not sure how you can expect to have any sense of the in-game community or your use to a group at that level. Soloing to about level 10-12 is the norm for almost all classes in this game, especially iksars who have the benefit of having the best newbie zones in the game.

The class you picked isn't the problem. Once you get to a level where it makes any amount of sense to group (like level 12ish in Kurn's) you should do well with yourself and a healer.

I guess I don't have any sense of what you're expecting as opposed to what you've experienced so far. Obviously the server is old and that has made it topheavy. You won't get that "new server smell" of logging in and seeing a newbie zone full of actual brand spanking new players after content has been stagnant for this many years.

[Shilver]

I've played 3 characters to level 4/5 and deleted them because I didn't like the class/race/starting area. I do gotta admit I had a really cool guy I grouped with when I was a Barbarian Shaman.

I'm drinking and I make stupid posts sometimes. Just ignore me.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Shilver [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've played 3 characters to level 4/5 and deleted them because I didn't like the class/race/starting area. I do gotta admit I had a really cool guy I grouped with when I was a Barbarian Shaman.

I'm drinking and I make stupid posts sometimes. Just ignore me.

It's cool man. At least you aren't being provocative like Davardo and Dirtnap. It took me a handful of character rolls before I landed on Plush and fell in love. Once you find that one character that feels right for you, that's when the game gets the most fun. Not to rag on those other two guys, but I feel that suffering from "altoholism" could be further effecting their ability to focus and forge a meaningful connection to the server. Aside from dabbling in a few alts I was pretty much all Plush til I finally hit 60 this year so I was forced to adapt to the way the server population changes in each new level range. If you just keep rolling new characters every time leveling gets "hard" and only experience the first third of the game (and let's face it leveling 1 to 20, while technically 1/3rd of the available levels is more like 10% of the actual 1-60 journey) you're severely limiting your exposure to what this server is all about. Stick with it. If nothing else the journey to 60 with the worst XP penalty currently in the game will harden the hell out of you and it will be that much more rewarding once you get to high level and are one of the VERY few Iksar SK's on the server.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard and Enchanter are the two classes that can singlehandedly make an otherwise mediocre group excellent.

It might be bias but I think a shaman can as well, especially at higher levels when they get REALLY gnarly. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Shilver]

True that man, being an Iksar SK is gonna be a huge achievement and it's what gonna keep me going. I'll get in touch with the community once I get going.

Thanks.

[Lojik]

It might be bias but I think a shaman can as well, especially at higher levels when they get REALLY gnarly

I think the thing with Shaman is that they are usually the best at duoing,as they can duo exceptionally with most classes. I think for a full group though an ENC brings more to the table, as groups usually have a cleric for healing.

P.S. Rangers are a legitimately mediocre class.

This is quite true. They don't solo very well, and their role is usually filled better by other classes in a group setting, plus an exp penalty.

[JurisDictum]

EQ is not perfectly balanced. Everyone knows this. However, when you consider the whole play experience of each class, they come out a lot closer than some people (particularly newer players) give them credit for. Druids for example, are very convenient class to play; due to their ports, sow, and tracking abilities. They can solo grind extremely efficiently, and can provide healing (they can even main heal until high levels) for groups. Clerics don't do any of this but heal and heal well.
Yes clerics are much more sought after in groups, and basically necessary later on in the game. Nevertheless, people have the habit of focusing in on what they don't have (the ability to single-handedly keep a group healed). A cleric can't go out and quad raptors and solo bear pit. A cleric can't move across the world with extreme ease (they don't even have invis). A cleric needs a group to farm or exp, and has to sit there waiting for a group to send an invite. Or they can form a group just like a druid. While the cleric is more popular than a druid, clerics can't solo in the mean time and then port everyone to the same spot when the group is formed.
If you look at the classes that tend to be less prefered in groups, they almost all have other aspects to them that makes up for it. Necros are famous soloers. Wizards and Bards are both good soloers and amazing in raids.
The only classes I would say are a tad on the underpowered side when you consider all things, are Rangers. This will get a little better in Velious...but honestly it was a bit messed up until Luclin imo.
A few of you on this fourm seem to want you cake and eat it too. You want all the advantages of playing something like a druid or necro and also want to be as prized in exp grind groups as enchanters and clerics. If you think its so great being a group only class, try playing one.

[Splorf22]

It will be interesting to see if your screenshot shuts up Davardo and Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway Shamans are fantastic of course (all my characters duo with Svenn heheh) but they just don't have the kind of CC that bards and enchanters bring (or a really good FD splitting monk even, but tbh most monks that I meet nowadays don't even try to FD split).