The video game industry

[Awwalike]

lunar silver star story
lunar eternal blue

[Ranlron swiftsong]

Who says some critically acclaimed games can't be overrated? ff7 sure is overrated Some games received their just deserved praise too.FF7 was a good game for an example, but terribly overrated.Overrated doesn't mean bad, it means it received more praise than it deserves.

I saw lunar silver star gameplay footage.It looked interesting but very cheesy story.Never heard so much singing in a game in my life though, so it has its good points

[Rhuma7]

Nobody answered my question.

All the games that were mentioned were from the 90's and VERY early 2000's.

It's been almost 20 years now since people played a game more than one time through.

The only game other than an "mmo" that I played more than once was skyrim and who here got to experience the pc version of it? Absolutely fucking horrendous.

This catering to the masses shit is what is ruining the industry and almost contradicting myself, we also dont need all these different consoles being developed along side eachother trying to compete with themselves.

Face it, the industry is more interested in selling you a $500 console and getting a few hundred bucks in shit game purchases out of you can all coming together on the same platform and getting a few thousand dollars in quality games from you.

Back in the SNES days all these developers were making games on at the most...2 platforms, the SNES and the SEGA GENESIS. Now we have nintendo doing their own massive collection of consoles, microsoft doing their own console, Sony doing their own console all the way trying to fuck eachother in the ass with the shortly lived push for movement recognition sensors (hai soccor mom! you can work out while playing a game! herp derp) and all choking the shit out of your wallet by making exclusive titles with a (then) bloated pricetag so you were pretty much "locked in" for whatever console their marketing ended up making you buy (hey guys we got blue-ray built in!) or (were cheaper and have absolutely no RPGs but you can play call of duty!)
or even better (hey guys were totally family orientated but you should buy our system because our controller looks like a vibrator!)

All the while I sit back in disgust of this console era of bullshit money grabbing corporate train-wreck of new technology to broaden the gaming playerbase. Obviously it has worked or has the 80's and 90's generation that actually played decent games has had kids now and its just population increase with a bit of nudging on their parents part?

Were all on a fucking 1999 emulator but the industry is fine! It's all gravy! It's not a lull were just beta testing for the next wave of awesomeness that is more of the same bullshit trying to corner-stone the market with whatever titles they can put in a stranglehold to make you buy their 400-500 dollar bullshit console so you can then beta test the next generation of shit gaming with an even bigger pricetag.

Oh and you better not "try out" any of these games at gamestop or its like, piracy!

[gotrocks]

^^ To you and kagatob i say this:

It seems like you guys just flat out don't like the games that are coming out nowadays. Maybe you've grown out of gaming. Maybe you're just really into the older stuff and the new stuff no longer appeals to you. Maybe you're depressed irl and the things that used to hold joy for you just really dont anymore so you want to let some steam out on here as a sort of therapy.

Whatever the case, there are lots and lots of good games that have come out in the last 5 years, and there are lots and lots of good games coming out in the future.

I already did answer your question in my novel up there, guy above me. But if you didnt read it, we've have bioshock infinite, tons of indy games that warrant replay (minecraft, limbo, mark of hte ninja, countless others), mass effect series, tomb raider, uncharted 3, this list can go on and on.

Kagatob you pointed out that 9/10 games that come out nowadays are shit, i'd say you are generalizing a bit. 1/5 games are mindblowingly good. 1/5 of games are good, fun to play, etc. 2/5 games fall somewhere in the middle of the sprectrum, they are ok, but you may not finish the campaign and it'll likely be a return or resell if you get the channce, and 1/5 are complete shit that never should have been released (Aliens colonial marines).

This is really all about perspective, and I just dont think you guys are going to see it from mine, or how many games journalists and gamers see it. Again, the reason for this is really up for you to discover, or to not discover, but theres no way for me to argue this point with you guys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically it boils down to this: You guys dont like the games that are coming out, lots of other people do, you can insult them/us all you want but it wont change the fact that there are indeed good games coming out every month and that hte industry as a whole is doing very very well.

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[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^ To you and kagatob i say this:

It seems like you guys just flat out don't like the games that are coming out nowadays. Maybe you've grown out of gaming. Maybe you're just really into the older stuff and the new stuff no longer appeals to you. Maybe you're depressed irl and the things that used to hold joy for you just really dont anymore so you want to let some steam out on here as a sort of therapy.

Whatever the case, there are lots and lots of good games that have come out in the last 5 years, and there are lots and lots of good games coming out in the future.

I already did answer your question in my novel up there, guy above me. But if you didnt read it, we've have bioshock infinite, tons of indy games that warrant replay (minecraft, limbo, mark of hte ninja, countless others), mass effect series, tomb raider, uncharted 3, this list can go on and on.

Kagatob you pointed out that 9/10 games that come out nowadays are shit, i'd say you are generalizing a bit. 1/5 games are mindblowingly good. 1/5 of games are good, fun to play, etc. 2/5 games fall somewhere in the middle of the sprectrum, they are ok, but you may not finish the campaign and it'll likely be a return or resell if you get the channce, and 1/5 are complete shit that never should have been released (Aliens colonial marines).

This is really all about perspective, and I just dont think you guys are going to see it from mine, or how many games journalists and gamers see it. Again, the reason for this is really up for you to discover, or to not discover, but theres no way for me to argue this point with you guys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically it boils down to this: You guys dont like the games that are coming out, lots of other people do, you can insult them/us all you want but it wont change the fact that there are indeed good games coming out every month and that hte industry as a whole is doing very very well.

-gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my previous posts I point out how Kagatob has a bias bigot mind. Only his opinion matters and whatever he says goes.

Also

Basically it boils down to this: You guys dont like the games that are coming out, lots of other people do, you can insult them/us all you want but it wont change the fact that there are indeed good games coming out every month and that hte industry as a whole is doing very very well.

QFT.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kagatob you pointed out that 9/10 games that come out nowadays are shit, i'd say you are generalizing a bit. 1/5 games are mindblowingly good. 1/5 of games are good, fun to play, etc. 2/5 games fall somewhere in the middle of the sprectrum, they are ok, but you may not finish the campaign and it'll likely be a return or resell if you get the channce, and 1/5 are complete shit that never should have been released (Aliens colonial marines).

This is really all about perspective, and I just dont think you guys are going to see it from mine, or how many games journalists and gamers see it. Again, the reason for this is really up for you to discover, or to not discover, but theres no way for me to argue this point with you guys [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically it boils down to this: You guys dont like the games that are coming out, lots of other people do, you can insult them/us all you want but it wont change the fact that there are indeed good games coming out every month and that hte industry as a whole is doing very very well.

-gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's fair and again I don't disagree with most of what you say as most of it does boil down to opinion. Even going by your statistics of good games vs bad that's still a little less than 50% of the games coming out being absolute trash, I personally can't rationalize continued spending of my money on a coin flip deciding whether I'm getting a garbage game.

When I was talking about the games that I'd purchased that were garbage I wasn't talking about indie games as I do enjoy those. Maybe I'm looking at indie games the wrong way then? I don't even consider them a part of the industry, I consider them good people flipping off the industry by doing with a few hundred dollars what the industry can't do with a few million. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does anyone know if anyone out there is trying to tackle the 'cost of development' problem? It's snowballed to much larger then it should be IMO.

[Gadwen]

Needs at least one more option.

Storytelling built around game mechanics.

[Ranlron swiftsong]

Um this is an answer towards gotroks and rhumas:

The problem is:Some good games do come out, but there are a lot of mediocre games coming out too.In the past, we had less games coming out, and more time taken towards producing them.A lot of big named guys are trying to cater to a wider audience, that part is true, like square enix was doing, and doing so, it appeals less to a wider audience.Dragon age origins was a really good game and one of the more recent rpgs i liked, and i thought lost odyssey was better than the more recent ff games.

There are good games coming out, its just that we are overwelmed by the shitty ones, and feel depressed that the game companies we trusted betrayed us.Se betrayed me, capcom betrayed me, with resident evil series for an example, and mgs4 being a let down a bit.Re5 was a total let down compared to re1-code veronica.It looks like survival horror is coming back, so i'l hold my breath in hope, and buy it.

[August]

The problem with the gaming industry is the same that plagues the movie industry: money.

See, back in the day, when gaming was a new thing and movies weren't so expensive, studios would produce lots of games/movies on original content. They'd get a hit out of every 1/10 or so, and thus a gaming franchise would be born.

Nowadays, a shitton of money goes into games/movies as they are huge business. So, instead of a studio funding 10 low-budget games/movies, they're now only funding 1 10x the cost game/movie. And they NEED it to be a success.

So what do they do? They ply back to the days of yore. That's why there's 10+ Zelda adventures, 10+ FF adventures, 30 million mario worlds, and iron man has been coming back to the silver screen every year since robert downey jr. ate a whataburger and quit his addiction to smack.

indie games, should you choose to go there, is where the innovation is happening because once again we're in a medium of 'low budget' games where there can be a ton of crapshoots and we elect to pluck one delicate flower (minecraft, anyone?) from the refuge and give it a nice pat on the back to the tune of millions of dollars.

Of course, now a minecraft clone, Minecraft 2, could come out, and it starts the process.

To keep gaming current and modern and not a reduction on past premise we have to encourage the fledgling independent game and/or film industry so that more people will take risks on original content. Until then, enjoy Spiderman 7.

tomtee

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with the gaming industry is the same that plagues the movie industry: money.

See, back in the day, when gaming was a new thing and movies weren't so expensive, studios would produce lots of games/movies on original content. They'd get a hit out of every 1/10 or so, and thus a gaming franchise would be born.

Nowadays, a shitton of money goes into games/movies as they are huge business. So, instead of a studio funding 10 low-budget games/movies, they're now only funding 1 10x the cost game/movie. And they NEED it to be a success.

So what do they do? They ply back to the days of yore. That's why there's 10+ Zelda adventures, 10+ FF adventures, 30 million mario worlds, and iron man has been coming back to the silver screen every year since robert downey jr. ate a whataburger and quit his addiction to smack.

indie games, should you choose to go there, is where the innovation is happening because once again we're in a medium of 'low budget' games where there can be a ton of crapshoots and we elect to pluck one delicate flower (minecraft, anyone?) from the refuge and give it a nice pat on the back to the tune of millions of dollars.

Of course, now a minecraft clone, Minecraft 2, could come out, and it starts the process.

To keep gaming current and modern and not a reduction on past premise we have to encourage the fledgling independent game and/or film industry so that more people will take risks on original content. Until then, enjoy Spiderman 7.

tomtee

I definitely agree about indie games being where its at right now. This is the great thing about digital distribution that often gets ignored when the subject is brought up. Platforms like Steam, or even Xbox Live have allowed the indie game developer to bring his product to the masses without being tied up with some publishing deal, and without investing millions of dollars to distribute their games. Now I really can't speak to how fair these platforms are in terms of profit for the indie devs, but at least they are able to get their games out there and be taken seriously.