rape jokes

[Hasbinbad]

Also everything behind why you said "she did x so its ok to rape her" makes you a bad person.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please define 'funny.'

No, that is a semantic argument which doesn't have anything to do with my point, and I already told you I'm not getting distracted by your red herring. I keep using that term, it actually means something.

[Daldolma]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that is a semantic argument which doesn't have anything to do with my point, and I already told you I'm not getting distracted by your red herring. I keep using that term, it actually means something.

You declared that rape jokes are not ever funny. If you don't think that your definition of 'funny' is pivotal to this argument being fruitful, I'd say you don't actually want anything from this beyond some attention.

Without your definition of the word 'funny' as it is being used in this context, any argument I form will be an argument from ignorance.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idiot position.

Analogue:
1: person sprays uzi at a firing range alone, ricochet kills him. so our position is automatically POOR DUDE GOT HIT WITH RICOCHET????

ftfy

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also everything behind why you said "she did x so its ok to rape her" makes you a bad person.

Where did I even imply such?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance

Again, jumping from "they put themselves in the dangerous situation" to "the rapist isn't at fault".
Deep

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, jumping from "they put themselves in the dangerous situation" to "the rapist isn't at fault".
Deep

being asleep in a room full of 16 year olds isn't a dangerous situation

a drunk driver is criminally negligent and thus liable for the consequences of their negligence

a drunk girl that passes out in a room of friends is not negligent and is not liable for harm that comes to her beyond the natural consequences of drunkenness and/or sleep

there is no reasonable expectation that drunkenness would result in rape, especially not at 16

you're blaming the victim for something that fell well beyond the scope of reasonable consequences of her actions. see: "she was asking for it"

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ftfy

Yeah no. When you're drunk and get behind the wheel, you're shooting into a crowd, idc if you don't think there are people around, your judgement is impaired and you shouldn't be making those decisions. What are you fucking 17 or something?

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did I even imply such?

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It just dawned on me, are you implying that people who drink and drive aren't responsible for their actions?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

getting in an accident while driving drunk is a natural consequence of driving drunk

getting raped is not a natural consequence of getting too drunk; it requires intervening criminal action by a separate party

your argument implies that a rape victim is responsible for resisting his or her own rape, and upon forfeiting the ability to resist, the victim is liable for any and all trespasses against his or her well being

Also if we're going to be arguing semantics:
Getting into an accident while driving drunk is a possible consequence of driving drunk but not a natural one, people drive drunk home without issues all the time but only alcoholics will argue such and are rightly ridiculed.

Getting raped is indeed a natural consequence of getting too drunk. People are animals and do much more horrible premeditated things to sober people. Getting shitfaced in general public without someone to watch your back absolutely invites a crime of opportunity.

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is no basis in ethics or law for a requirement of resistance

Where did anyone state or even imply that the perpetrate did nothing wrong and didn't deserve to be punished?
If some dumbass leaves the window on a ground floor home open and their child gets kidnapped, does the kidnapper suddenly get off the hook because the parent was negligent? No. Why do you imply it's different in the case of rape? Fucker should be castrated, doesn't make the drunk any less of a dumb shit.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a drunk girl that passes out in a room of friends is not negligent and is not liable for harm that comes to her beyond the natural consequences of drunkenness and/or sleep

Implying they were her friends (they weren't, it was a party not a slumber party).

You're an idiot and your entire argument is laughable.