Live EC tunnel feed - Page 6

Byrjun · #51 03-28-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It looks like a service ON the server to me. Your paying for the service of having a toon in EC tunnel feeding you logs. You just have to access the logs through a 3rd party. But your still paying Ingame for Ingame service/information.

By "services" on the server I mean something like a power level or an escrow. A log file is something that exists as computer data outside of the server (your hard drive). It would be illegal for me to give you platinum to exchange for a movie or a music album, which can also exist as a computer data. There's really no difference between these things.

But it doesn't end there, you're not paying platinum for the log file alone. You're paying platinum for an account on a website that exists outside the Project 1999 server, where the log file is then parsed by code on said web server to display certain channels for your convenience.

Considering people have gotten in trouble for offering platinum for graphic/web design services, I'm again going to have to say no to this one.

I'm not doing this to be contrarian, like I said before I'd pay for this if I felt it was within the server rules. However I'm continuing to post here as a warning for anyone who would consider paying for this service. If a GM comes in and says this is okay and legal, then yeah I'll probably pay this guy platinum for the service. But as it stands now, it doesn't seem kosher to me and I'm not going to risk my ability to log in to the server on something that seems quite against the server rules to my eyes. Which sucks, cause I used it frequently before when it was a free service.

If the guy wants to some sort of compensation for his work, I don't understand why he doesn't just put ads up the site and call it a day. Considering how many people who would use this (uh, everyone?) I'm sure he could make some cash from it.

stonez138 · #52 03-28-2013, 07:18 PM

Isn't using a 3rd party program in and of itself a violation? It seems to me like someone created a program to give themselves an advantage in game. How can this not be considered a 3rd party program?

Thulack · #53 03-28-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't using a 3rd party program in and of itself a violation? It seems to me like someone created a program to give themselves an advantage in game. How can this not be considered a 3rd party program?

Because its not doing anything in the game. Its not modifying anything either. He is personally taking his logs which are generated by the game for everyone's use and uploading them in realtime to a website.

Byrjun · #54 03-28-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't using a 3rd party program in and of itself a violation? It seems to me like someone created a program to give themselves an advantage in game. How can this not be considered a 3rd party program?

"3rd party program" is usually in reference to software that gives you the ability to do things in the game that you wouldn't normally be able to do. If we were to use as broad of a definition as you are using, then that would make web browsers illegal too since you can use them to look up maps and item information.

Anything that just parses logs is fine, because that's purely just sorting information that you're already getting from the game already.

Galvatar · #55 03-29-2013, 12:06 AM

Ok here's my main problem with this:

Say this fellow gets 50 people onboard for a month which is in my opinion not an unreasonable assessment.

40p per day for let's say 30 days in said month for 50 people works out to 60k. So this dude has now made 60k for doing absolutely nothing / boxing an EC alt.

Emphase · #56 03-29-2013, 12:15 AM

if he has to be logged in to do this, hes giving up his playing time in exchange. unless hes exploiting ip exempt.

Thulack · #57 03-29-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Emphase [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if he has to be logged in to do this, hes giving up his playing time in exchange. unless hes exploiting ip exempt.

unless he has a toon logged in at another location. Its not against the rules to have a toon logged in doing nothing.

Emphase · #58 03-29-2013, 12:25 AM

oh really? he can 2box as long as 1 character is in a different zone idle?

So yea galv I guess you are right

Thulack · #59 03-29-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Emphase [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh really? he can 2box as long as 1 character is in a different zone idle?

So yea galv I guess you are right

When i say different location i mean a different physical real life address. As i have stated in my previous example. If he has a toon setup at his work and he plays from home. I don't see how that would be considered 2 boxing aslong as he is not remotely playing the 2nd character at the other location.

porigromus · #60 03-29-2013, 09:01 AM

Real nice, selfishly charging plat for software written by you for a generously free project where the game, launcher you enjoy for no cost. Aren't you glad the guides aren't like you and require you to give them some plat? Maybe you should have to give some plat if you want to enjoy that nice launcher? Charge this guy some plat when he logs on.

That's what this project would be with your "help". They should ban this guy.