Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 'socking that happens here sort of benefits me in a roundabout way. I don't much care about raiding, so 100 people sitting on Sathir's spawn point is 100 people who aren't camping the stuff the wife and I want to do.

Danth

But you do have to ask, is this good gaming? because what you are saying is, the end game content is dominated by zerg guilds who spam keys for hours to get FTE, which then leaves vast expanses of the game open for you to explore with a friend, in this case your wife.

That sounds like a heat death of the gameworld: the end game, the allegedly "for serious gamers only" game, is really just getting in a loot line in a zerg key spamming loot council guild, and then, those who are just putzing around for old times sake on lesser stuff.

If someone presented that as *an actual design for a game* they would be drummed out of the business.

Granted, it may work for you and your wife, but it is still not healthy. It is the least imaginative solution to what to do with the high end eq sandbox, which gives you a server to get nostalgic on once or twice a week.

So it has settled: those who get into the ZKPLC guild, and the ultra casual.

Without a solid mid-game that can potentially cause havoc with the high end, all you got is an autopilot server. Weird OCD types running guilds that just endlessly farm all spawns, and give out the candy by officer vote fiat. Weird trip, man, weird trip.

Reminds me of Darkoor and Vis Maior on quellious. And we all know what happened to him

edit: google darkoor mistell

[Splorf22]

Shinko correct me if I'm wrong but are you proposing something like:

1st spawn: TMO
2nd spawn: FE
3rd spawn: everyone not in TMO/FE
4th spawn: TMO/FE race
5th spawn: TMO/FE race

If you can get TMO to agree to it I think it would be a pretty reasonable plan. I don't think TMO will agree to it though. I don't understand it, but they enjoy the current raid scene. Especially Eccezan would miss his RnF posts too much.

But I think you had a solid idea and I'll support you if you want/need it (for whatever that is worth).

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone presented that as *an actual design for a game* they would be drummed out of the business.

I agree with your post in general. I want to respond to this specific part by pointing out that Everquest was a deeply-flawed game even when it was new. With the passage of years it's thoroughly obsolete in terms of both technology and base design. I like enough about this game to consider my time here well-spent, but I never think of EQ as perfect.


Those second-tier guilds don't merge on their way to the top because they don't want to be at the top. They just want to see the content now and then. I don't even raid and I understand that much. Unfortunately, such a mindset works better in newer games that have measures in place to prevent a single entity from monopolizing everything. Hopefully the parties involved can correct that problem on their own.

For my part, I'll continue putzing around in lesser content (which is a very good description of how I play, actually). It works for me. Maybe some day I'll find a guild of folks content to do the same.

Danth

[Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone presented that as *an actual design for a game* they would be drummed out of the business.

Granted, it may work for you and your wife, but it is still not healthy. It is the least imaginative solution to what to do with the high end eq sandbox, which gives you a server to get nostalgic on once or twice a week.

So it has settled: those who get into the ZKPLC guild, and the ultra casual.

Without a solid mid-game that can potentially cause havoc with the high end, all you got is an autopilot server. Weird OCD types running guilds that just endlessly farm all spawns, and give out the candy by officer vote fiat. Weird trip, man, weird trip.

Reminds me of Darkoor and Vis Maior on quellious. And we all know what happened to him

edit: google darkoor mistell

I agree with you 110%. Seriously, it may work for some people but in the grand scheme of things it isn't exactly bringing a whole lot of new players to the server. I know Vis Maior well I played on Quellious as well. I remember when an old time officer of VM started a public raiding guild for the server (Lost raiders of Norrath, LRoN). This consisted of MANY (5-10) smaller guilds that got together when people were available on a weekday or weekend and killed (at the time PoP was the big xpac) raid mobs. We flag all the way to the elemental planes before "I" decided to take a break from EQ. It gave other people a chance at things that they normally wouldn't have had the chance of getting. Mustaza ring any bells for anyone?

[Shinko]

well it comes to TMO on starting with noble and crew

[Woahnelly]

It's obvious that the server as a whole would benefit from a full fledged rotation. I think that the way raid content is currently monopolized is insane! This is a game after all. A rotation monitored by a gm similar to something done with fippy on live would be best.

Thoughts?

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Dear Finalgrunt

I'm an old time player, and I'm assuming you are too. You can go look at old FoH forums and Quellious forums, if you can find them, and yup, there I am, Sadre the enchanter.

I just wanted to say, your post made me sad. I'm not even gonna go into eq-speak and start using technical language like "spawn windows," /random, "lock out," duels, or anything else that *could* be used to make things more lively and so much less -- sigh, how to put it? -- predictably how every mmo game dies and becomes boring as fuck.

But your post made me sad. Because these sorts of negotiations *do* go on, just not in p99 apparently. Guild alliances, gang-ups in order to overthrow top guilds, ll kinds of things happened in live.

But not here, not now, and not in the foreseeable mudflated future..

Yours is such a modest request.

And it is sad, isn;t it? Classic eq is about as close as we have ever gotten to a sandbox online game, imho. The possibilities of competition are really up to us.


And all our geniuses can come up with is the usual batphone, spam keys until spawn, FTE wins.

Classic often *avoided* this outcome. On my server, quellious, people got bored and broke top guilds up, rather than live like this. And that was when expansions came faster!

Anyway, Divinity just got a thumbs up from me, if it matters. But I hope you don;t get what you want. Because it still sucks. A zerg guild with batphones and loot council is basically the worst guild structure eq produced. I will argue that IN THE ARENA FUCKER. lol. Couldn;t resist. old Sadre got out.

But that worst possible guild structure and method owns p99. Until someone realizes, there are ways to play in a persistent world that does not involve making the order of things persistent. We can change the world.

Everyone now, grab your juiceboxes and sing with me, "We can CHAA_AAAANGE the WOOOO OOOOOOOORLD.


wave one...

[Metallikus]

in classic, there were a ton of PUG raids for vox / naggy once with 52 cap came into being. It was a community builder.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

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[Jarnauga]

Talendor
Gorenaire
Efreeti cycle
vox/naggy
Faydedar maybe ?

These are pretty much useless to FE/TMO. Let's start with these ones and see how it goes.. I'd suggest that the leaders of the "little" guilds speak of the terms together on vent or something.

Something along the lines of: 2 hours upon pop to kill the target or you're losing your spot, if you wipe you lose your spot. if you wipe 3 times in a row on the same mob you just lose your spot for like 3 rounds..