Possible for Ukraine to beat back Russia?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this century's warfare. The US needs a come-to-Jesus moment with how to wage conflict in the modern era.

We can't do stuff like that! We're the good guys!

We can't send shady un-uniformed men with no ID's to assault border posts in Estonia. We can't put out fake videos of Russian soldiers raping Ukrainian schoolgirls. We can't disable power grids and cause masses of sick people to die in hospitals. We can't do any of those things.

The Russians have ZERO credibility with anyone and everyone expects them to act shady af. They have nothing to lose.

[New_Guy]

Russia and China actually, are looking pretty sad lately, although their official ranking is #2 and #3, Russia is currently having a lot of trouble with the number 32 ranked military in the world.

If Ukraine can hold out for ten more days then Russia is gonna be in serious economic trouble and runs the risk of nato countries deciding to join the fray.

China on the other hand has a habit of getting dunked on in the skies, every military expo involving dogfights has seen Chinese pilots humiliated at every turn. They need that swarm drone tech because they cannot stand up to other pilots even when they are in vastly superior jets.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by New_Guy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Russia and China actually, are looking pretty sad lately, although their official ranking is #2 and #3, Russia is currently having a lot of trouble with the number 32 ranked military in the world.

If Ukraine can hold out for ten more days then Russia is gonna be in serious economic trouble and runs the risk of nato countries deciding to join the fray.

China on the other hand has a habit of getting dunked on in the skies, every military expo involving dogfights has seen Chinese pilots humiliated at every turn. They need that swarm drone tech because they cannot stand up to other pilots even when they are in vastly superior jets.

You think Putin will launch nukes at Europe if NATO gets involved?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You think Putin will launch nukes at Europe if NATO gets involved?

Putin knows that 10 minutes after he orders the use of a nuclear weapon a bunch of soldiers led by a very self-satisfied yet grim General Staff officer will burst in and he will be shot dead. The men who actually control the nuclear weapons aren't suicidal.

NATO isn't getting involved. Officially not. If you mean using their territory and the resources of their member nations to directly funnel lethal aid then yes.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To add further

Our misadventures in the ME have allowed Russia and China to study and learn how we wage war. They've had 20 years to dissect our tactics and find vulnerabilities to exploit

They've also designed new ways to wage warfare

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jour...eneration-War/



This is why our humiliation in Afghanistan was such a huge deal. It convinced our enemies now was the time to act. We're seeing that now.

Captain bone spurs made the treaty while there were still skirmishes and worse let 5000 Taliban prisoners free while attacks continued. Then cut the US troops down from 13,000 to just 2,500 by the time Biden took office. Trump’s reduction in troops numbers reduced all means of training. Resulting in a poor preparation of the Afghan army to take over. Trump wasted 4 years of possible preparation.

But 13 US soldiers died during the exit under Biden fair enough he took the blame and the blame for the mistaken target that resulted in the death of innocents possibly children.

Better than the 70,000 Allies that died from Trump’s premature exit from Syria. And the 40 kids killed in a school bus by a US bomber during Trumps presidency.

You say Trump didn’t start any new wars. He sure bombed an Iranian general which resulted in a US base bombed and US soldiers suffering from brian damage. Meanwhile the rest of the world sat there wondering whether Trump; Mr. tuck tail and run was actually going respond.

God you fail miserably when you even try Eilzondo.

Trump worst traitor president ever.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putin knows that 10 minutes after he orders the use of a nuclear weapon a bunch of soldiers led by a very self-satisfied yet grim General Staff officer will burst in and he will be shot dead. The men who actually control the nuclear weapons aren't suicidal.

NATO isn't getting involved. Officially not. If you mean using their territory and the resources of their member nations to directly funnel lethal aid then yes.

My God I hope you are right. I have been encouraged to see many of the younger Russians denounce Russias actions, but the older generation still seems beholden to the powers that be.

[BlackBellamy]

Neither Putin nor Biden nor any president or leader has actual control of nuclear weapons. Those are controlled by military men. They make the decision. Let me tell you, there's nothing better than being a Commander of Strategic Forces in peacetime and nothing worse after a nuclear war. No aging general is going to give up the soft life and adulation to commit suicide along with his very smart and good looking children and well...the rest of the world.

The Nuclear Football is a Totem.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Captain bone spurs made the treaty while there were still skirmishes and worse let 5000 Taliban prisoners free while attacks continued. Then cut the US troops down from 13,000 to just 2,500 by the time Biden took office. Trump’s reduction in troops numbers reduced all means of training. Resulting in a poor preparation of the Afghan army to take over. Trump wasted 4 years of possible preparation.

But 13 US soldiers died during the exit under Biden fair enough he took the blame and the blame for the mistaken target that resulted in the death of innocents possibly children.

Better than the 70,000 Allies that died from Trump’s premature exit from Syria. And the 40 kids killed in a school bus by a US bomber during Trumps presidency.

You say Trump didn’t start any new wars. He sure bombed an Iranian general which resulted in a US base bombed and US soldiers suffering from brian damage. Meanwhile the rest of the world sat there wondering whether Trump; Mr. tuck tail and run was actually going respond.

God you fail miserably when you even try Eilzondo.

Trump worst traitor president ever.

lol man

For once in your miserable existence can you not post about Trump?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My family is from Kiev and has lived in the Ukraine since 1450 would you like my opinion?

Can a Mig-29 beat an su-35?

Same question to blake in his Jane's gamez.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To add further

Our misadventures in the ME have allowed Russia and China to study and learn how we wage war. They've had 20 years to dissect our tactics and find vulnerabilities to exploit

They've also designed new ways to wage warfare

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Jour...eneration-War/

In the twenty-first century we have seen a tendency toward blurring the lines between the states of war and peace. …

… The very “rules of war” have changed. The role of nonmilitary means of achieving political strategic goals has grown, and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness. …

… Frontal engagements of large formations of forces at the strategic and operational levels are gradually becoming a thing of the past. …

… Asymmetrical actions have come into widespread use, enabling the nullification of an enemy´s advantages in armed conflict. Among such actions are the use of special operations forces and internal opposition to create a permanently operating front through the entire territory of the enemy state, as well as informational actions, devices, and means that are constantly being perfected. …

… The differences between strategic, operational, and tactical levels, as well as between offensive and defensive operations, are being erased.

—Gen. Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the Russian General Staff

This is why our humiliation in Afghanistan was such a huge deal. It convinced our enemies now was the time to act. We're seeing that now.

That's a lot of words to say 'guerilla warfare'.

I hope you're proud, Lib.