TMO resort to hacking in VP

[Hailto]

Shits lame regardless

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry Sericx, this is a lie.

This cleric is using an EXPLOIT to GRIEF A RAID. I really could give two shits if people use this to fast switch characters or whatnot, but GRIEFING A RAID is a very different story.

The first one or two times I saw him do it, I didnt say anything. There is room for leniency in most cases. After he continued to do this for hours and hours, however, there was a major problem. You see, this prevented us from being able to pull Xygoz for over 2 hours because our already low numbers had to stay up there to make sure he did not res your train team on the ledge, whom we killed straight up and held down WITHOUT using any exploit.

You misread what I typed. Im not saying he didnt use the IP exemption. Im saying I saw half your guild poof when I was training the night before. And the claims of FE stating they dont use this same thing is a "lie". This was even brought up in vent when I was training , how the fuck did they get out so fast? That was mos def less than 30 seconds. Even when I /who there was maybe 1-2 LD's and the rest just vanished. And it didnt prevent anything. And in all honestly it didnt prevent the kill. We have clerics camped out on that same ledge that we have access too. So killing one cleric is just the tip of the iceberg. Not only till about maybe 8-830 am est you had a real shot once it was just me and Gollum in the zone at which time I sent out a BP for more reinforcements. Fortunately or unfortunately trak spawned within 30-45 mins of the batphone going out. I admire the motivation and dedication of FE. But lets be honest people will use what they have on both sides of the field. And to think FE is clean as a catholic nun is blasphemy. IE Helicopter and his duct tape we all know it was autofire and we can sit and argue it wasnt. Or Aiauss using IP exemption. Or the hundreds of things/exploiting/MQ/SEQ/ whatever it is that go undetected. So to sit back and play white knight saying TMO hacks TMO cheats TMO this TMO that, purge your own guild of the same issues then maybe MAYBE the point will valid. As I said I have some good friends in FE that keep me on the up and up and you guys are doing well. But lets not be hypocritical here.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Marley was camped out with res effects. The second Marley logged on, we killed him. We killed him 5 more times as Snackromancer and others kept trying to res him below the ledge. The ONLY reason you guys were able to delay us over 2 hours in the middle of the night is because of this cleric, period - everyone trainer from TMO was dead.

2. We have never employed this tactic to grief a raid, period. As far as if individuals have used /q with exemptions to get out quickly, I am sure there is someone in every guild who has. Be a freedom fighter and petition them.

And again here this is going to turn into a he said she said thing. You never completely wiped all the trainers out. Me, Kingore or Bruce were always up. Not saying at the same time but we always had a trainer ready to go. And even then we still had Gollum to suicide train if needed. So saying you completely wiped us is grossly false.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And again here this is going to turn into a he said she said thing. You never completely wiped all the trainers out. Me, Kingore or Bruce were always up. Not saying at the same time but we always had a trainer ready to go. And even then we still had Gollum to suicide train if needed. So saying you completely wiped us is grossly false.

No. You had noone on the ledge other than Marley and Bruce. When Bruce died, this cleric would keep poping in trying to get res's off on him. When he was unable to, he would use this tactic over and over again.

Marley was res'd and camped out with res effects. The only option you had was this cleric staying alive or you would have no way at all to res your mages, clerics, trainers, that were dead on the ledge. After Bruce got charmed and Xerxes killed him for a duel death, he could not be res'd, and we got out Xygoz attempt.

[Godefroi]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nagach. Weve spoke about this matter already and its safe to say me and you are on better terms then some others. For one, I didnt even know this was going on up there. For two lets not beat around the bush. The night before when I was training Nexona I would honestly say half your guild give or take 1-3 people would poof instantly without LD message. I already know its gonna be prove this prove that. Honestly I dont give a fuck. I have no reason to lie. Ive already spoken to many of my friends in FE and told them about some of your guild members POOFING once this thread popped up. Yah you told me to tell you who poofs next time in front of me while im training. Ill get you the names. But sitting here bitching about something your guild also does to avoid trains is the pot calling the kettle black.

The fact that we are on good terms doesn't change that you are completely out of your fucking mind saying half of FE was using this.

We discovered this exploit yesterday, hence the outrage, hence the fraps, the petition and the RnF.

I've kindly asked TMO to provide proofs of what they are saying, yet I have yet to see anything.

I'm gonna sell coke and when I get caught I'll say I saw the cops around the corner stashing nose sugar too pal, seriously, get fucking real.

Also, we did wipe you from the ledge, you were also dead dude. The only person that was logging in/out errrrrrrrrr, disappearing when trained wasAiaus.

Marley was dead, Bruce also and even ate an exp death 'cause pinned down. for about 40 minutes the only thing you had left was Aiaus hence his desperate attempt to survive implying cheating.

Get real, show proofs or just stop spining. This is ridiculous and lame, cheat2win, if this is how you intend to play, I guess we are all gonna get IP exemptions, it will make VP way easier!

[baramur]

Here is the difference da and q are a mechanic of eq, ip exemptions are so multiple people can play the game. Using an ip exemption to fast exit is exploiting the use of the exemption. You are not using exemption as its purpose was designed thus exploiting it. Da and /q is using the classic mechanic, not exploiting a non classic mechanic.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. You had noone on the ledge other than Marley and Bruce. When Bruce died, this cleric would keep poping in trying to get res's off on him. When he was unable to, he would use this tactic over and over again.

Marley was res'd and camped out with res effects. The only option you had was this cleric staying alive or you would have no way at all to res your mages, clerics, trainers, that were dead on the ledge. After Bruce got charmed and Xerxes killed him for a duel death, he could not be res'd, and we got out Xygoz attempt.

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we are on good terms doesn't change that you are completely out of your fucking mind saying half of FE was using this.

We discovered this exploit yesterday, hence the outrage, hence the fraps, the petition and the RnF.

I've kindly asked TMO to provide proofs of what they are saying, yet I have yet to see anything.

I'm gonna sell coke and when I get caught I'll say I saw the cops around the corner stashing nose sugar too pal, seriously, get fucking real.

Also, we did wipe you from the ledge, you were also dead dude. The only person that was logging in/out errrrrrrrrr, disappearing when trained wasAiaus.

Marley was dead, Bruce also and even ate an exp death 'cause pinned down. for about 40 minutes the only thing you had left was Aiaus hence his desperate attempt to survive implying cheating.

Get real, show proofs or just stop spining. This is ridiculous and lame, cheat2win, if this is how you intend to play, I guess we are all gonna get IP exemptions, it will make VP way easier!

These stories are conflicting each other, one stating bruce and marley is dead, one stating everyone was dead. The name that is not comming up here is Kingore. As I said we always had one trainer ready. And Nagach I did not say half of FE uses IP exemptions. I said half of the people I was training POOFED. Implying yes that it looks like IP exemptions. P. And you say Aiaus is the only one we had left but obviously not counting Gollum never dieing in there once. And to be so narrow minded to think yah these are the only toons we have access to while FE is in there trying to take a boss down ,as if we didnt have other trainers at ledge or clerics, is straight retarded. Only once it was me and Gollum in the zone is when I started to sweat a little and call more people in.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. You had noone on the ledge other than Marley and Bruce. When Bruce died, this cleric would keep poping in trying to get res's off on him. When he was unable to, he would use this tactic over and over again.

Marley was res'd and camped out with res effects. The only option you had was this cleric staying alive or you would have no way at all to res your mages, clerics, trainers, that were dead on the ledge. After Bruce got charmed and Xerxes killed him for a duel death, he could not be res'd, and we got out Xygoz attempt.

And also to add to this, I was never on the ledge while you guys were playing grab ass on the ledge. I was ping ponging between nexona and druushk mobs to pull when Gollum gave me the green light that pull was otw. Yah I died when I trained Xygoz to pic room and Bruce pulled him up top to attempt to train. Xerxes did kill him so that gave us 6 mins to rez him. But again the name that is not comming up is "KINGORE". As I said we always had at least 1 trainer up at all times

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Godefroi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we are on good terms doesn't change that you are completely out of your fucking mind saying half of FE was using this.

We discovered this exploit yesterday, hence the outrage, hence the fraps, the petition and the RnF.

I've kindly asked TMO to provide proofs of what they are saying, yet I have yet to see anything.

I'm gonna sell coke and when I get caught I'll say I saw the cops around the corner stashing nose sugar too pal, seriously, get fucking real.

Also, we did wipe you from the ledge, you were also dead dude. The only person that was logging in/out errrrrrrrrr, disappearing when trained wasAiaus.

Marley was dead, Bruce also and even ate an exp death 'cause pinned down. for about 40 minutes the only thing you had left was Aiaus hence his desperate attempt to survive implying cheating.

Get real, show proofs or just stop spining. This is ridiculous and lame, cheat2win, if this is how you intend to play, I guess we are all gonna get IP exemptions, it will make VP way easier!

Then I guess we are just gonna have to buy more duct tape now arent we Nagach? This whole White Night, we are taking down the server monster is bullshit when these and or other tactics are used inside FE but yet we are just gonna turn a blind eye when they are used, is Helicopter still guilded i'm sure he is. And you saying we grief a raid? When FE started out attempting CT's setting multiple DT chains after a wipe? Yah mos def the pot calling the kettle black.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I guess we are just gonna have to buy more duct tape now arent we Nagach? This whole White Night, we are taking down the server monster is bullshit when these and or other tactics are used inside FE but yet we are just gonna turn a blind eye when they are used, is Helicopter still guilded i'm sure he is. And you saying we grief a raid? When FE started out attempting CT's setting multiple DT chains after a wipe? Yah mos def the pot calling the kettle black.

Are you really putting DT cycles on the same level of a clear cheat/exploit?
Cheaters & exploiters must be banned. So if you got proof / fraps, petition whoever does the same, it will make this server a better place.
And when guild leadership sanctions such behavior, then something must be done on a higher level.

This is so wrong on so many levels ...