Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that the more charms you have active, the more liable it is to blow up in your face. We all know this.

So the hypothetical 4th pick is not to increase the safety of the number of charms, which may be only one if the 2nd enchanter is dropping a charm to help with charm breaks, but to increase the efficiency of this group at grinding exp without hiccups.

In which case, the shaman provides absolutely nothing over the mage if we're trying to balance not only DPS, but safety and realism in this scenario.

Why can't you just admit that instead of stubbornly trying to overrate shaman and underrate mage? You're now seriously suggesting that the cleric animation with the shaman healing is more advantageous than the mage constantly throwing his pet in with the cleric healing both it and the charms?

I think you're a troll. I refuse to believe you can't see the logic in this.

The 4th pick is indeed to increase safety. If you could handle 3x Enchanter pets, you would do that for the better DPS. Otherwise you are too afraid of the risk, which means you want to increase safety at the cost of DPS. The logic is quite simple. You are indeed correct people want a more consistent experience. That is what safety provides[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] More safety = less hiccups.

I am not trolling, you just keep saying "I am right and you are wrong", and think that is some kind of valid argument. Please provide evidence to support your claims. I have provided plenty of evidence.

My point about the Cleric was simply that if the Shaman is sharing the healing burden, the Cleric can DPS more. This means the DPS gap between a Mage and a Shaman shrinks further, because the Shaman is enabling the Cleric to increase their DPS. Remember a Shaman can recover mana much faster, so it is better for the Shaman to heal any time a Cleric doesn't have to, it increases efficiency.

[Gloomlord]

The 4th pick is to get a class that balances out the group without gambling a wipe. You could argue a 3rd enchanter is more DPS with an extra charm, and if you stay lucky, that's correct.

So if we're arguing which is the better class to add here if you don't want to include a 3rd enchanter, why on earth is it shaman over mage? It doesn't make any sense. I think even a druid would bring more to this group than a shaman, if you're really throwing healing into the equation.

You are definitely trolling if you think I'm merely saying "I am right and you are wrong" here. People have already provided the maths in this thread, which you denied. We have access to the wiki, which tells us the abilities of each class.

What "evidence"? I call your bluff. Everyone has every reason here to be angry with you and your bizarre behaviour.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fully expect a literal tidal wave of dissenting responses from DSM but I call em like I see em.

From page 3, post 30.

How clairvoyant was I?

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 4th pick is to get a class that balances out the group without gambling a wipe. You could argue a 3rd enchanter is more DPS with an extra charm, and if you stay lucky, that's correct.

So if we're arguing which is the better class to add here if you don't want to include a 3rd enchanter, why on earth is it shaman over mage? It doesn't make any sense. I think even a druid would bring more to this group than a shaman, if you're really throwing healing into the equation.

You are definitely trolling if you think I'm merely saying "I am right and you are wrong" here. People have already provided the maths in this thread, which you denied. We have access to the wiki, which tells us the abilities of each class.

What "evidence"? I call your bluff. Everyone has every reason here to be angry with you and your bizarre behaviour.

If you think a Druid would bring more than a Shaman, you have lost the debate. Unless you are in an area where the Druid can Charm, you gain very little from adding the Druid. Even the people who disagree with me aren't arguing for a Druid. It is pretty clear at this point you don't even know what a Shaman is capable of if you think a Druid would provide more on average.

The other people have NOT provided math hehe, that's the problem. The data they have provided doesn't help their case. You need to read the thread a bit more carefully.

You are simply saying "I am right and you are wrong", because you are just making a claim without evidence. I can do that too. If I say "Shamans are better and I don't need to provide evidence", we are back to square one. You said it, I said it, and we are at an impasse.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From page 3, post 30.

How clairvoyant was I?

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It was a self fulfilling prophecy. You are the one providing the bad arguments. This thread would have been over a long time ago if you could just look at the math objectively and realize Mage DPS isn't as much as you thought.

[PatChapp]

There is one thing a druid brings that shaman doesn't. Snared pet is happy pet,major increase in safety.

I'm not saying they are better or worse,just that there is a very strong argument to have one around.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is one thing a druid brings that shaman doesn't. Snared pet is happy pet,major increase in safety.

I'm not saying they are better or worse,just that there is a very strong argument to have one around.

The same thing can be said for Malo. A Malosini'ed pet is a happy pet. With two healers (a Shaman heals much better than a Druid), you are in a good spot without Snare. Plus a Shaman can AoE slow in an emergency if you really need to drop mob DPS.

And for the sake of argument, let's say we could prove snare is far superior safety wise. That would still mean you wouldn't bring a Mage hehe. It would just mean people have been underestimating the poor Druids!

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are simply saying "I am right and you are wrong", because you are just making a claim without evidence. I can do that too. If I say "Shamans are better and I don't need to provide evidence", we are back to square one. You said it, I said it, and we are at an impasse.

The difference is you are the singular dissenting opinion going up against the common sense opinion of just about every other person that knows anything about this game. Your opinion is not on equal footing.

[Troxx]

Singular.
Dissenting.
Opinion.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The difference is you are the singular dissenting opinion going up against the common sense opinion of just about every other person that knows anything about this game. Your opinion is not on equal footing.

The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. - Marcus Aurelius

[PlsNoBan]

That's literally like saying "I say the earth is flat and you say it's round. Our opinions are equal"

That's not how it works fella