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[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Troxx showed a combined parse of 79 DPS for his Mage. After Troxx admitted his parse was lower than what the image displayed, he did refuse to provide logs so we could get the correct DPS data.

Yep and the same parses showed a level 60 monk with Fist of Nature and 15/20 priceless wraps doing only 48dps. I told you then and I'll tell you AGAIN that when you combine a whole wad of single fights into one composite fight that it skews everything badly.

You can believe that the mage only did 79dps about as much as you can believe that a near BIS monk with raid gear and max haste can only do 48dps.

I showed you the breakaway fights. Why did you ignore them? Because they didn't fit your narrative?

Go go napkin math!

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After Troxx admitted his parse was lower than what the image displayed, he did refuse to provide logs so we could get the correct DPS data.

I provided you precisely what you wanted:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=245

I showed you that it get's weird when you combined fights ... and that it is decidedly 'not weird' when you post single fights.

And yeah - as I sat there on my shaman doing shockingly good dps (but under the most ideal of circumstances - it just reminded me of all the shenaningans and bullshit. The DPS I was doing in Chardok would not be possible in a fast moving group. It was also helpful that I had a good 20 minutes between spawns because keeping both dots and epic up was ANYTHING BUT mana neutral. It was decidedly net mana negative. Even if this type of DPS could be layed down in a fast 20 second fight (it is not) it would not be sustainable without time spent recovering mana ... which would mean that even moreso ... it is not actually doable.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep and the same parses showed a level 60 monk with Fist of Nature and 15/20 priceless wraps doing only 48dps. I told you then and I'll tell you AGAIN that when you combine a whole wad of single fights into one composite fight that it skews everything badly.

You can believe that the mage only did 79dps about as much as you can believe that a near BIS monk with raid gear and max haste can only do 48dps.

I showed you the breakaway fights. Why did you ignore them? Because they didn't fit your narrative?

The thing Troxx doesn't realize is his parse was completely useless. If everybody's DPS is off, then what's the point in posting it? This is why I ask Troxx for his logs. You can easily find the correct DPS via logs. Clearly his parser isn't useable. His breakaway parses were using the same parser.

But he clings to this strange idea Gamparse is the best program ever, when he literally gave evidence to the contrary.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

This is why I take Troxx's generic claims about how he parsed X weapon or Y class with a grain of salt. He's using a parser he knows has flaws, but uses it anyway. He either purposely posted a parse he knew was wrong, or didn't realize it was wrong initially and tried to smooth things over.

Who knows what kind of incorrect data he's been using to come to his conclusions. This is why he needs to provide logs, so we can get the correct DPS data from him when he makes data-based claims.

[Troxx]

I might have had some un-realistically un-lucky runs. Same level same camp same buffs but resists have kinda fucked me. Last few fights:

Time: 193sec (76.42dps)
Time: 266sec (55.45dps)
Time: 157sec (93.94dps)
Time: 269sec (54.83dps)

Of note I did hit a new peak high dps of almost 94dps! Max summon pet and 0 resists. But ... you can see how for some of the other fights ...

the struggle-huggle was real and not fun at all

None of the above were dangerous but damn when strings of resists happen it really does help having a pet who doesn't average 18dps ...

Granted these mobs are level 56 - not the same LEVEL 40 FROGs DSM parsed vs ...


But the only thing DSM will care about is how my shitty shaman managed to parse almost 95dps with a max summon pet ... and a wonderfully perfect fight with no resists

[Troxx]

I will say this though ... HOT DAMN .. shamans can put out some serious damage under perfect situations where they can

-burn their mana bar per mob
-use dots to full efficiency
-have a max summon max haste max buffed pet

Kudos to shamans under perfect situations. They truly are overpowered ... but we already knew that. Seriously awesome class!

Unfortunately they can't replicate this in a group with a cleric and 2 charming chanters.

(notice how DSM isn't asking me for raw logs for these fights? Why would he. I am providing solid data for shaman dps. It is REALLY impressive in a solo type of situation.)

Edit: Farmed 2x for my raid warrior, 1x for this shaman, 2x for my 60 paladin, and 2x sold for 6k each

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I might have had some un-realistically un-lucky runs. Same level same camp same buffs but resists have kinda fucked me. Last few fights:

Time: 193sec (76.42dps)
Time: 266sec (55.45dps)
Time: 157sec (93.94dps)
Time: 269sec (54.83dps)

Of note I did hit a new peak high dps of almost 94dps! Max summon pet and 0 resists. But ... you can see how for some of the other fights ...

the struggle-huggle was real and not fun at all

None of the above were dangerous but damn when strings of resists happen it really does help having a pet who doesn't average 18dps ...

Granted these mobs are level 56 - not the same LEVEL 40 FROGs DSM parsed vs ...

When you have 75% Slow, Torpor, and Cannibalize via Shaman, you can gnerally recover from a bad string of resists. I have plenty of videos on my youtube channel with parses of fighting harder mobs, including a 30 minute Ionat fight. He is just cherry picking a single parse I gave as a quick example because he can't provlde a good argument for his position.

But your parses match with what I said earlier:

Mages without Epic are doing more like 65 DPS via Water Pet, 16 DPS via Damage Shield, and 25 DPS from something like Burnt Wood Staff. So something like 106 DPS, or 116 DPS with Boots of Bladecalling if memory serves. If the mob is 75% slowed, you'd lose 12 DPS from the Damage shield, so 94 DPS to 102 DPS.

You were using mana nukes if I recall correctly instead of a clickie. You'll need to tell us if you've started using clickies. You also aren't getting backstabs if these parses are solo. Your numbers look correct when assuming no backstabs and mana nukes.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(notice how DSM isn't asking me for raw logs for these fights? Why would he. I am providing solid data for shaman dps. It is REALLY impressive in a solo type of situation.)

I would love for you to post logs! Sadly you never do, so I just assume you won't at this point.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing Troxx doesn't realize is his parse was completely useless.

Most people are smart enough to know that if a level 60 monk with 100% buffed haste and Tunare fist + 15/20 offhand is only doing 48dps ... everyone was actually doing more? I even gave you break-away fights to show the discrepancy - you ignored it.

Sorry if you're the only one who couldn't see it.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you have 75% Slow, Torpor, and Cannibalize via Shaman, you can gnerally recover from a bad string of resists.

I did. They all died. But dps suffers.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people are smart enough to know that if a level 60 monk with 100% buffed haste and Tunare fist + 15/20 offhand is only doing 48dps ... everyone was actually doing more? I even gave you break-away fights to show the discrepancy - you ignored it.

Sorry if you're the only one who couldn't see it.



I did. They all died. But dps suffers.

Most people are smart enough to know it is a silly idea to post data they know is completely incorrect. Most people also know you can use raw logs to get the correct DPS. Sorry you are the only one who can't see that.

[Troxx]

The funniest thing is that this is the first (and thus far only) camp where i might prefer Ogre FSI over Troll regen. Mob being 56 means that interrupts are actually super annoying and frequent enough (gotta kill a thing every 20 minutes) that ...

If I could magically wave a wand and poof myself to Ogre specifically for FSI I might actually do it. It is super annoying. It isn't getting in the way of success ... but it is noticeable.

So from a pass/fail no FSI still doesn't matter. But man at this level it would be convenient. Doesn't offset the other 99.99% of the game where regen wins.