So that's it for the election.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's about three posts away from "U MAD BRO???????"

Nah, you're not mad. Not self aware enough. Just pathetic.

[Splorf22]

Just to chime in, because I love a good flamewar (and I do have a PhD) appeal to scientific consensus is still appeal to authority. I don't know how familiar you are with the peer review process Daldoma, but it often ends up with highly . . . well, for lack of a better word, highly inbred ideas. Big Gun Professor X has some theories, his graduate students do work in those areas. Eventually they graduate and do their own research, and they will have similar theories and publish in similar conferences and journals. Worse, they will go into government funding agencies like the NSF and only fund research they think is promising which will usually be somewhat in line with their ideas (newsflash: all great ideas seem dumb to the current community. Of course, so do all dumb ideas).

Scientific consensus is frequently wrong. At one point 'all of the experts' believed that:

* the sun revolved around the earth
* the earth moved through a mysterious aether
* fat makes you fat
* humans are causing global warming

In other words if you want to prove Jesus was a historical figure, you can't just quote the experts. Its not as worthless as Alawen is making it out of course, but in the end you have to cite facts.

[Splorf22]

err what i wanted to say was 'eating fat makes you fat'. damn no edits in rnf

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to chime in, because I love a good flamewar (and I do have a PhD) appeal to scientific consensus is still appeal to authority. I don't know how familiar you are with the peer review process Daldoma, but it often ends up with highly . . . well, for lack of a better word, highly inbred ideas. Big Gun Professor X has some theories, his graduate students do work in those areas. Eventually they graduate and do their own research, and they will have similar theories and publish in similar conferences and journals. Worse, they will go into government funding agencies like the NSF and only fund research they think is promising which will usually be somewhat in line with their ideas (newsflash: all great ideas seem dumb to the current community. Of course, so do all dumb ideas).

Scientific consensus is frequently wrong. At one point 'all of the experts' believed that:

* the sun revolved around the earth
* the earth moved through a mysterious aether
* fat makes you fat
* humans are causing global warming

In other words if you want to prove Jesus was a historical figure, you can't just quote the experts. Its not as worthless as Alawen is making it out of course, but in the end you have to cite facts.

Right, that's fair. I'm not setting out to prove Jesus' historical existence, though. I'm chatting in RnF -- not developing a dissertation. I'm content to cite the general consensus of scholars and dismiss the ramblings of a P99 poster not only rejecting that general consensus, but rejecting that there is any evidence to support that consensus.

But I agree that if my goal were to formally establish the historicity, the scholarly consensus wouldn't be particularly relevant. But I am not qualified to do that, and neither is Alawen. I don't pretend to be.

[Ryba]

Thread summary thus far:

Lucky had a bad 4 years, can now barely restrain his racism. Trolls everyone from his subterranean hovel in a flyover state.

Alawen kills Jesus; confirmed major depressive.

Unanimous agreement that atheism is obnoxious.

People mad.

Consensus?!: 21st century religion is more like a cheat code than a lived philosophy.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

* fat makes you fat

Actually, this is exactly it

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ryba [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread summary thus far:

Lucky had a bad 4 years, can now barely restrain his racism. Trolls everyone from his subterranean hovel in a flyover state.

Alawen kills Jesus; confirmed major depressive.

Unanimous agreement that atheism is obnoxious.

People mad.

Consensus?!: 21st century religion is more like a cheat code than a lived philosophy.

Your summarizing skills are lacking.

[Lucky]

Global warming fraud exposed

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[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy bro, you're getting a little too heated about this. It was an obvious, caricatured example of neckbeardery, not a legitimate parallel. Lighten up. We agree: mere PhDs, published authors, and tenured professors at reputable universities are not comparable to arguably the greatest scientific mind alive at present.

If you agree that the history of Jesus (agree to disagree re: Christ) is worthy of scholarship and expertise, then we don't disagree.

I think it is worthy of scholarship, but with a complete lack of any evidence other than eyewitness, if ancient writings can even be trusted as eyewitness testimony, and with eyewitness testimony being the absolute WORST kind of evidence possible, I think it is supremely irresponsible to call it "expertise."

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to chime in, because I love a good flamewar (and I do have a PhD) appeal to scientific consensus is still appeal to authority. I don't know how familiar you are with the peer review process Daldoma, but it often ends up with highly . . . well, for lack of a better word, highly inbred ideas. Big Gun Professor X has some theories, his graduate students do work in those areas. Eventually they graduate and do their own research, and they will have similar theories and publish in similar conferences and journals. Worse, they will go into government funding agencies like the NSF and only fund research they think is promising which will usually be somewhat in line with their ideas (newsflash: all great ideas seem dumb to the current community. Of course, so do all dumb ideas).

Scientific consensus is frequently wrong. At one point 'all of the experts' believed that:

* the sun revolved around the earth
* the earth moved through a mysterious aether
* fat makes you fat
* humans are causing global warming

In other words if you want to prove Jesus was a historical figure, you can't just quote the experts. Its not as worthless as Alawen is making it out of course, but in the end you have to cite facts.

You seem smart, please comment on what I said about eyewitness "evidence."