OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[Samoht]

Do we really have to hold your hand?

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social and economic inequality.

Fix

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high unemployment.

Stop

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greed, as well as corruption.

Curtail

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the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

Duh.

[Samoht]

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.

Or because you guys speak in vague generalities like you did above. Fix unemployment, stop greed, etc. those are goals and not a plan to achieve goals or actually impact change.

[Samoht]

You can remain naive and pretend the combined greedy pigs of congress and corporations aren't fleecing America, sure. Be my guest, but the rest of us are too smart to play along any more.

I don't know what your purpose is in pretending otherwise, and like I said before, you're acting ignorant to continue to insist that everything must be in writing upfront.

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you guys speak in vague generalities like you did above. Fix unemployment, stop greed, etc. those are goals and not a plan to achieve goals or actually impact change.

You're still doing it, so my response remains appropriate.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.

Unless you actually come up with a response of your own soon, rather than what the corporate sponsored media tells you to think, you're just going to prove how much of a huge tool you are. We already had an idea, it's just going to be cemented in fact.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you actually come up with a response of your own soon, rather than what the corporate sponsored media tells you to think, you're just going to prove how much of a huge tool you are. We already had an idea, it's just going to be cemented in fact.

This is exactly my point. Today, OWS is an awareness campaign gone awry.

You kids on the forum here like to make a lot of talk about revolution and the likes and think you are a part of something when in reality, most of those involved are only part of it due to their own envy and entitlement conditioning. Very few of you really want to help beyond helping yourselves. (opinion / observation)

Many of the things that you cite (wall street bailouts, unemployment, greed, etc.) were focal points and discussion points before OWS, so do you guys bring anything to the table other than increased awareness? (i.e. plan of action, etc.)

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many of the things that you cite (wall street bailouts, unemployment, greed, etc.) were focal points and discussion points before OWS, so do you guys bring anything to the table other than increased awareness? (i.e. plan of action, etc.)

A defiance to appropriate change without using the current system. It's been 2 months and people expect everyone to know how to make the world run. Over time one of two things will happen: ideas will coalesce and overturning of certain issues will happen or the movement will fade out due to extensive repression.

I don't know if you're aware but some people are already listening, even in the current system. Naturally it won't pass.. why would it?

That's why it's so hard to "use the system to get what we want"... it's a fucking mess that's being perpetuated by self interest. Give it more time, communicate with people instead of bicker:

I'm slated to grab a beer with a dude that originally said we were a bunch of jobless losers. He now understands us and agrees.

I was threatened by some marines whose friends later returned to have an intellectually stimulating conversation at 4 in the fucking morning when it was about 40 degrees outside. He expects our group to get off the sidewalk of the Capitol Grounds of NC and get inside the Capitol Building. We nodded our heads in agreement, in which he then thanked us for at least realizing the need for a future outlook.

This one woman used to harass us online but is now defending the ideals of OWS and is HOPING that we all see the need to move forward. She still disagrees with us in a lot of ways but it's becoming a more common occurrence, as many people have supported us with that viewpoint: people realize it's not about "gimme gimme gimme," but more about, "what mess are you leaving us in charge of?"

[vaylorie]

Admirable goals. How ate you guys going to do it?

[Aadill]

Stop thinking that this movement is a protest with a means to an end, it's a people's movement in it's beginning stages. Furthermore it's really kind of stupid to expect a single, concise message that fits on a bumper sticker that explains ALL of the issues that this movement encompasses by individuals, groups, or the entire wishes of OWS and it's subsidiaries. If you want one, it is this:

WE ARE THE 99% AND WE WANT OUR VOICES HEARD.

Look, this movement has been highlighting problems that people have forgotten about because they are too worried about conservatives or liberals or, "them fuckin gays," or"them fuckin muslims." If you want detailed proposals take a look at this: http://october2011.org/blogs/kevin-z...VKz6E.facebook

this is one example (not all of it do I agree with) of shit people in DC have done that far surpasses the supercommittee's expected goals in attempting to fix the fucking country's national debt problems. The government is responsible for letting things get the way they have but the individuals or corporations with political buying ability have run this country down a path that will take years to get back up.

[Samoht]

BUT TEH RADIO SEZ THUR POOPIN ON TEH STREET

WHO POOPS ON TEH STREET?

I'LL TELL YOU WHO. OBAMA. AND DEMOCRATS. AND COMMUNISTS. AND TERRORISTS.

FUCKIN TERRORISTS.

[vaylorie]

As I've said many times throughout the 60 pages in this thread. I agree with some of the ideals but disagree with the approach that is being used, specifically around the civil disobedience and unwillingness to use the existing structure to enact change. As I've said before, organize and solidify and even form your own political party if needed but the bs (especially by the retarded OWS-ers on this forum) re: overthrow & new government is getting no where and making the movement look retarded. (especially by mainstream America).

Good luck with the awareness campaign and I really do hope you can organize and drop the fringe elements and reports of violence to become more relevant.