Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

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[bcbrown]

Noted and agreed upon - 112 damage for a single proc at t=0.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure!

1. 135 DEX (75 base + 60 from Mortal Deftness) = 135/170 + 0.5 = 1.3 Procs Per Minute, assuming you only auto attack.

2. Hammer swings immediately when turning auto attack on at the start of the fight, and after every JBB cast. This is 7.5/12.5 swings per minute. 7.5/12.5 = 0.6 x 1.3 = 0.78 Procs Per Minute using JBB.

3. We can use 4 server ticks if you want to include 0. This means t=0, t=6, t=12, t=18.

5. 3 swings/7.5 swings = 40% of our normal PPM. 0.78 x 0.4 = 31.2% chance to proc per 18 second fight.

1.3 base rate PPM.

Base delay is 4.7 seconds, or 60/4.7 = 12.76 swings per minute. At a base rate of 1.3 PPM, that means each swing is:
(1.3 Proc/minute) / (12.76 swings/minute) or 0.10 procs/swing - every swing has a 10% chance to proc.

Because we only swing every 8 seconds, we get 7.5 swings per minute.

Since, for the binomial distribution, E[X] = np, or the probability per event times the number of events, 10% * 7.5 or 0.75 procs per minute. This is close enough to your 0.78 procs per minute - I think the difference is that I'm using 12.76 swings/minute and you're using 12.5. If I calculate the expected number of procs in 3 swings using 12.5 instead, I also get 31.2%

This good with you? Mind if I continue using 12.76 swings/minute?

Oh, and I will be including the possibility of an extra 40dd if there's more than one proc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Noted and agreed upon - 112 damage for a single proc at t=0.



1.3 base rate PPM.

Base delay is 4.7 seconds, or 60/4.7 = 12.76 swings per minute. At a base rate of 1.3 PPM, that means each swing is:
(1.3 Proc/minute) / (12.76 swings/minute) or 0.10 procs/swing - every swing has a 10% chance to proc.

Because we only swing every 8 seconds, we get 7.5 swings per minute.

Since, for the binomial distribution, E[X] = np, or the probability per event times the number of events, 10% * 7.5 or 0.75 procs per minute. This is close enough to your 0.78 procs per minute - I think the difference is that I'm using 12.76 swings/minute and you're using 12.5. If I calculate the expected number of procs in 3 swings using 12.5 instead, I also get 31.2%

This good with you? Mind if I continue using 12.76 swings/minute?

Oh, and I will be including the possibility of an extra 40dd if there's more than one proc.

No, stick to the 12.5 swings per minute since that is what I did. Keeps things consistent.

[bcbrown]

And you agree with my damage calculations in the case of two or three procs in this scenario?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you agree with my damage calculations in the case of two or three procs in this scenario?

I disagree with you thinking there is relevance to the discussion. At the end of the day you are claiming the DPS is lower than 2.7. If you happen to proc another DD, it doesn't decrease the DPS value.

More DPS only supports my position further, so it's fine if we leave out any extra. Remember I am also leaving out white damage.

[bcbrown]

I'll take that as confirmation you're fine with the actual damage calculation I provided.

Next step is to consider the very first swing.
Base delay is 4.7 seconds, simplified to 12.5 swings per minute. At a base rate of 1.3 PPM, that means each swing is:
(1.3 Proc/minute) / (12.5 swings/minute) or 0.104 procs/swing - every swing has a 10.4% chance to proc.

So if you take just a single swing at a mob with this weapon, there's a 10.4% chance it procs. Agreed?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take that as confirmation you're fine with the actual damage calculation I provided.

Next step is to consider the very first swing.
Base delay is 4.7 seconds, simplified to 12.5 swings per minute. At a base rate of 1.3 PPM, that means each swing is:
(1.3 Proc/minute) / (12.5 swings/minute) or 0.104 procs/swing - every swing has a 10.4% chance to proc.

So if you take just a single swing at a mob with this weapon, there's a 10.4% chance it procs. Agreed?

No, I am not fine with the calculation if you are going to claim another proc reduces DPS in some manner. If it just adds more damage, it's not really important to your claim the DPS is lower.

[bcbrown]

Fine, can we discuss the very first swing?

If you swing exactly once, there's a 10.4% chance it procs, right?

[bcbrown]

Ever since I asked this question, you've done nothing but stall, evade, and deflect.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fine, can we discuss the very first swing?
If you swing exactly once, there's a 10.4% chance it procs, right?

I might be able to teach you something new if you let me. Let me walk you through this calculation I'm doing.