Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Swish]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was nerfed intentionally because it is overpowered. Same as Bard AE, Chardok AE, etc. It's disruptive and allows a class too much power.

Not overpowered, people are just shitheads with it. Chardok AOE was an RMT magnet as well as shutting off a zone people enjoyed grouping in for the purposes of fast XP/levels for alts in top guilds...who then camp out more strategically at each dragon pixel location. I'm glad it was stopped, the attitude of the AOE'ers thinking they owned the right to the entire zone because of their plat farming operation was indication enough that something had to be done.

kul69 needs to open his own classic server the way he wants to see it. Would people play? Would he accept the criticism for something not being entirely perfect?

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not overpowered, people are just shitheads with it. Chardok AOE was an RMT magnet as well as shutting off a zone people enjoyed grouping in for the purposes of fast XP/levels for alts in top guilds...who then camp out more strategically at each dragon pixel location. I'm glad it was stopped, the attitude of the AOE'ers thinking they owned the right to the entire zone because of their plat farming operation was indication enough that something had to be done.

kul69 needs to open his own classic server the way he wants to see it. Would people play? Would he accept the criticism for something not being entirely perfect?

And people are 100% using overpowered Chanter Charm so farm items and RMT them.

Same thing goes for overleveled Chanters thinking that they "own" full camps over level-appropriate groups.

Charm is literally damaging the server as a whole atthis point. There was a Chanter Charm-soloing every single named mob in Upper Guk last night.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And people are 100% using overpowered Chanter Charm so farm items and RMT them.

Such as? What items pre-Kunark would those even be besides the legacy ones, which are subject to the list system lol

[cd288]

Originally Posted by kul69 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Necro lifetaps should be unresistable by everything. Daggers should reduce pet delay. Has nothing to do with the client.

It was nerfed intentionally because it is overpowered. Same as Bard AE, Chardok AE, etc. It's disruptive and allows a class too much power.

I think you're leaving out some additional context here though. For something like pet daggers, I think that's a bit more cheesey than Enchanter charming. Giving a Necro pet daggers requires no knowledge of mechanics, a strategy for how to maximize what you're doing and how to minimize disaster if things go wrong, etc. Giving a Necro pet daggers requires just doing a trade and hitting pet attack. If I had to guess, I would say the staff would differentiate that nerf from Charm killing on the basis that you have to implement an actual strategy, know how the mechanics work, and have some level of skill to be a good Charm killer. Kind of different from the whole cheesey pet dagger thing (although personally I couldn't care less if they were to revert to allowing pets to have daggers...doesn't really bother me).

As others have explained, Chardok AE isn't really applicable to this argument. Chardok AE was nerfed because (i) it was a huge promotion of RMT and (ii) specific people were using it to essentially lock down an entire zone for themselves. Saying because Chardok AE was nerfed to prevent a select group of individuals from controlling an entire zone that therefore Enchanter Charming should be unclassicly nerfed because people got better at the game and can now solo a specific camp that some might not have soloed back on live is not valid. Chardok AE is not analagous to this.

For similar reasons as Chardok (although not really RMT, more just the zone disruption issue), Bard AE isn't really applicable either. Bard AE was nerfed because you had a Bard running around and taking like virtually every mob they could kill in the Overthere or the Karanas for example, such that no one could even find anything to kill. Again, not analogous to saying that there are some camps throughout the world being soloed by Enchanters because people got much better at Charm killing/Enchanters are powerful. I haven't seen an Enchanter go into a zone and kill every mob there and prevent anyone else from getting any EXP in that zone. Bard AE is not analagous here.

What you really need for your argument to work is an instance where the P99 staff essentially unclassicly nerfed an entire class to prevent it from being effective at soloing powerful mobs. For example, if they nerfed Shamans or Necros such that they couldn't solo, or nerfed quad kiting. But you don't have that because, again, it's not classic.

As an aside, it's kind of funny that people have come into this thread and essentially said "Enchanters are monopolizing all the popular and valuable camps in the game" yet no one will cite examples of which camps they're talking about even though it's been repeatedly asked.

[Mushman]

The context given about necro nerfs because "cheesy" but charm isn't because such high skill is laughable. Using proper rotation, information,and not acting like a primate when you get an untimely break isn't some super challenging feat most of the player base can't perform.

It's the same issue as NEC except charm has remained unaddressed. Charm replaces players where it's being used by the charm alone being more valuable than other players. As for specific camps, how about almost any one a half decent ENC chooses? Charm does a great job of eroding socialization and team work by replacing players with charmed pets like a mercenary system. Not classic, sorry but not sorry.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Mushman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The context given about necro nerfs because "cheesy" but charm isn't because such high skill is laughable. Using proper rotation, information,and not acting like a primate when you get an untimely break isn't some super challenging feat most of the player base can't perform.

It's the same issue as NEC except charm has remained unaddressed. Charm replaces players where it's being used by the charm alone being more valuable than other players. As for specific camps, how about almost any one a half decent ENC chooses? Charm does a great job of eroding socialization and team work by replacing players with charmed pets like a mercenary system. Not classic, sorry but not sorry.

I'm not saying it necessarily requires like an expert player to do, but to say that a Charm killing strategy is equal to just giving your pet, which can't break, two FS daggers and clicking your pet attack macro is just silly.

[Nirgon]

68 pages of flailing

[bubur]

as a sidenote can any op enc come and farm freeti on teal for a while?

havent seen even one pair of fruity boots yet. im payin well

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by bubur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as a sidenote can any op enc come and farm freeti on teal for a while?

havent seen even one pair of fruity boots yet. im payin well

Fruity boots. That's awesome.

[jacob54311]

Where's this hard data that Chanters are playing like they did back in '99?

I mean, I haven't seen hard data from the other side either, but neither have come forward with verifiable numbers.

What the status quo crowd has going for it is that the P99 team agrees with them. It falls on the people demanding change to make a case for things being the way they want them (as it should).