Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Jimjam]

The funny thing about "sky is blue" allegory is if you go out side you will see that the sky in fact, indeed, interestingly, is actually often not blue. At all.

[Duik]

Like right now. 4:59am. Black sky with a chance of snow.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again for the people in the back: They aren't incorrect. They proved you wrong. You refused to admit it so the people who proved you wrong started trolling you over your immature stubbornness.

You then used that as a way to try to discredit them and basically render anything they've said meaningless because "see they're trolls". And like I said before, you never admit you're incorrect. It's a theme with you.

Lmao and now the guy who never admits when he's wrong is going "show me where I've been proven wrong" as though it will work to show him the countless posts in the thread where he was proven wrong. If that was capable of working we wouldn't be here in the first place because you would have admitted you're wrong, which you're unable to ever do. The fact that I just had to explain that is simply astounding lol.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes you say shit that is so shockingly stupid that there isn't a good way to respond without coming off as a troll. Cd288 makes an excellent point. Nobody started out trolling. Your absurd behavior and the way you argue brings it out cause there's no other way to express how ridiculous you're being. You're almost forcing people into trolling with your behavior then going "I can't believe everyone is just trolls!" Rofl. It's a failure of a strategy. People can see right through it.

…. Page 210

I think my eyes are gonna start bleeding soon. 210 pages in, DSM hasn’t said anything new in the past 180 pages.

At this point we still have not yet started advocating for pocket clerics and rolling just with a shaman. I’m curious when this inflection point will be reached

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The main reason why you would want a Cleric is because charmed pets have a lot of HP in later levels. The level 49 Sebilis mob I was testing DPS on has at least 8000 HP. Having CH is really convenient for healing a pet quickly. Also, Torporing a pet will slow the pet, so they deal less damage. Torpor does work fine on healing the casters, since they do not melee the mobs anyway. The slow is irrelevant.

I agree with you though, you could probably just have a pocket cleric sitting around for Res and CH when needed. Just have the Shaman swap to the Cleric so the Enchanters don't lose their pets.

OP doesn't have a cleric in his group, he has a Necro and a Shaman. That will be good enough for any normal healing situation. It doesn't take long to heal a pet with Torpor or Necro heals in-between pulls, or waiting for respawns. If you are close to the mobs respawn point, you could also just break charm, lull, mem blur, and let the pet heal itself.

Page 213 ….

The first legit mention of pocket clerics 2125 posts in. Ironically at this time DSM is still seeing the value of complete heal on massive hp pets and there is no mention of torpor tanking as the strategy the group will favor employing.

My my my how the sands of time have shifted DSMs arguments

#MovingGoalposts

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Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages do way more dps then shaman, sorry I didn't read all the 200 pages but I saw somewhere someone said a mage only does a little more dps then shaman... crazy, fluffy alone can wreck rog dps in some areas, combine chain nukes and look out!

This one made me truly giggle and smile. Not only is Allishia correct, she so innocently doesn’t know that “somewhere someone said a mage only does a little more dps than a shaman” . Somewhere? Someone? Lol the entire 200 pages leading up to this post were about mostly only that.

Kudos Allishia for being simultaneously correct and mercifully unaware of the dumpster fire she wandered into.

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Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl

Hey rogues have said my pet makes them feel 2nd rate cause lot of times I'll let him off tank andhis innate dmg sheild the mob he is on usually dies before the one that has 3 melee on it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a 60 shaman too but I've never considered her to be dps...the dots are fun but...mob dead before they even land sometimes lol + I really hate they took away dot messages, it's just not the same without seeing the dmg...

[Troxx]

A walk down memory lane …

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this fuckin guy acting like dps doesnt matter because you wont get an extra fungi king for 100 hours

Page 220 and a succinct zinger from he who has BiS avatar

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What benefit are you getting from killing the mob 9 seconds faster if your group is good enough to not wipe anyway? The benefit to heavily increasing DPS would be to get more kills in the same session. If you aren't achieving that goal, a DPS increase is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

9 seconds is awfully close to the time of a complete heal cast

you're not considering the myriad of variables that happen during any given group....and you cannot paper napkin math your way out of it

you're so fucking obtuse its ridiculous

the fact of the matter is: a mage is a far better 4th to an enc / enc / cleric group than a shaman....you could go on for another 500 replies you aren't convincing anyone otherwise

… and the follow-on!

[Troxx]

INFLECTION POINT!

having thoroughly lost the argument raging for the past 221 pages, we see see (practically in real time) the hamster wheels turning in DSM’s head …. Pocket cleric! Arguments around pocket clerics start to coalesce …

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly it depends on the camp at that point. If you want to do Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric/X, it would depend on what you want to do. Mage would be better for something like Chardok Royals, where CoTH is necessary. Necro would be better for pulling at Fungi King Camp. Shaman would be better at Ixiblat Fer for the better Malo -> Malosini -> Slow.

If you want everything at once, Shaman/Necro/Enchanter/Mage + pocket cleric would be the best. You hit the 200 DPS breakpoint, you have enough utility/safety to do every camp, and the Shaman can swap to the Cleric for res or occasional CH to save the Necro/Mage spell reagents. That is what OP ended up picking, possibly minus the pocket cleric.

And immedy, hilarity ensues!

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No pocket cleric you’re just inventing variables at this point. It’s a 4 person caster only group, if you want a cleric it has to be one of the 4. As you said above the best would be three enchanters and a cleric, zero need for shaman in your own words

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody said you can't have a pocket Cleric. OP didn't specify this. Please stop making stuff up.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole topic of the thread is best 4 person caster group. Now you’re just making up reasons to take the shaman “well you could have a pocket cleric”. If no pocket cleric best group is three enchanters and a cleric, that’s what you said…or should I quote it for you?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where does it say "Best 4 person all caster/priest group without a pocket cleric"?

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy fucking shit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s amazing I got him to make my argument for me so he invents a new variable “WELL IF YOU HAD A POCKET CLERIC” lol

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4 person group, the cleric is either in the group as 1 of the 4, or doesn't exist. Where does it say Best 4 person caster/priest group with pocket alts?

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By that logic, one of the members can literally have a geared 60 of every single class to swap in, and at that point it doesn't fucking matter what comp the group has because they can change it.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup, because obviously pocket clerics are just as common as having level 60 characters lol. /sarcasm.

I don't think you realize you can have a pocket cleric that is level 49 for the 90% res and Complete Heal. Between four people it wouldn't be tough to level one up during the downtime between groups.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM, it's over for you, my friend. You've been thoroughly defeated in this thread. Your fat, Ogre corpse lies here disgraced on page 224. Luckily for you, however, I am able to rez you back to the forum index with my pocket Cleric.

Tips appreciated.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're excluding a cleric to heal the charm pet which would be tanking. You're going to heal it with torpor and slow the biggest source of your DPS? This is even dumber than your enc/enc/shm/clr argument you've been making for 700 posts.

Just fucking give it up already. You fucking lost. Get over it.

… and as quickly as the idea was born it seemed to fizzle by page 225. Don’t worry folks, it’ll make a come back

Wait wait … edit update… Now page 229. conversation has moved on and Vex slays the room with another zinger!

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that a Cleric in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ignore PlsNoBan, Troxx, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Karanis, Toxigen, Ripqozko, and Chortles Snortles in this thread.

Page 247.

Who have been the only active participants in the last 200 pages other than DSM?

PlsNoBan
Troxx
Cyxthryth
Gloomlord
Karanis
Toxigrn
Ripqozko
ChortlesSnortles

And Crede (who also has disagreed with him in every post)


Basically DSM is telling all those silent invisible readers to ignore literally everyone else disagreeing with him except him and this one other guy who also disagrees with him … which constitutes 100% of the posters in the thread. This plea to just ignore everyone but him is copied and pasted a great many times over the following pages.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

those silent invisible readers

Pocket audience.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pocket audience.

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That was almost as good as Malopractice

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Looks like Troxx had a full-blown meltdown. 5 nonsense posts in a row.

The post history still exists, regardless of his nonsense. Troxx has simply added more evidence he is a troll, and has extreme delusions about this thread. He can't change the post history this way sadly. He was trying to walk back his admission of being a troll too. Trolling harder is not how you walk that back.

I asked Troxx if he could name a camp where a Cleric would be better than a Shaman at least 60 pages ago. He couldn't answer. In a different thread PatChapp could name Chardok Royals right off the bat. I have been waiting for Troxx to say "Chardok Royals" for 60+ pages now, but he couldn't do it.

He wonders why his credibility is in the trash. He dodges a question for 60+ pages via trolling, when it could be answered immediately if he knew as much about the game as he claims. Or he could have said he didn't know. There is nothing wrong with that. He just can't be wrong though. He hides in his safe space by trolling when he can't answer a question.

PatChapp also said he did Chardok Royals with a 52 Cleric. More evidence for using a pocket cleric!

Thank you Troxx for previously admitting there is no objective restriction on pocket characters in this thread. Troxx is simply interpreting the title subjectively. He fabricated the no pocket character restriction out of thin air. All of Troxx's arguments against pocket characters are invalid. He cannot use an imaginary rule as an argument.

It is sad that Troxx tries so hard, but can't make progress. Perhaps he should change tactics and address the topic for once. Clearly his current tactics are backfiring.