Red99 Stimulus Plan (some constructive feedback)

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Er... what?

The anti-pk game would finally be firmly established: PKs are usually those with more skill and items trying to impose their lulz on weaker players. The antis gang up, finally kill the nasty PK and get to loot an item off him like he was a boss mob. This is all good for the antis, and for the server as a whole. More reason to PvP = more PvP.

That all sounds good bro, but it ain't gonna happen. The server would die for an ideal.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably true, exp loss like that really would discourage pvp. I'm just trying to think of ways to deter bindrushing at max level, because judging by the rants forum it IS starting to happen a lot. Do you have any idea?

minimal health and mana on respawn due to pvp death...suggested earlier in this thread i think...

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably true, exp loss like that really would discourage pvp. I'm just trying to think of ways to deter bindrushing at max level, because judging by the rants forum it IS starting to happen a lot. Do you have any ideas?

If you read my big post, "bindrushing" is part of my solution to make the server fun again. That people cant dispatch opposition lower in numbers in a matter of a couple of tries and carry on poopsocking for hours.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

minimal health and mana on respawn due to pvp death...suggested earlier in this thread i think...

When I think of bindrushing, I think of someone coming back to the same fight within an hour. Guess those of us on VZ were a little spoiled :P

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I think of bindrushing, I think of someone coming back to the same fight within an hour. Guess those of us on VZ were a little spoiled :P

That right there is the frequency of pvp that softcore feels is fun vs pve. One pvp fight per hour. A what, 5/60 ratio? This is a blubie talking.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

minimal health and mana on respawn due to pvp death...suggested earlier in this thread i think...

You know, like it used to be In The Year 2000.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That all sounds good bro, but it ain't gonna happen. The server would die for an ideal.

Servers die because they don't go far enough. The most Classic server we have now is Blue99 and see all the success it's had. I have no idea how we think a PvP server with Play Nice Policy is going to thrive. That's just totally counterintuitive. It's like prison, where you have other inmates trying to kill you and the GMs as the wardens telling you what you can and can't do to defend yourself.

From what I hear, prison isn't very fun.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you read my big post, "bindrushing" is part of my solution to make the server fun again. That people cant dispatch opposition lower in numbers in a matter of a couple of tries and carry on poopsocking for hours.

That doesn't make any sense at all to me, because it works both ways. When the outnumbered players DO win, their enemies will then bindrush and take the camp back anyway. Not bindrushing should be common decency imo :/

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That right there is the frequency of pvp that softcore feels is fun vs pve. One pvp fight per hour. A what, 5/60 ratio? This is a blubie talking.

One fight between the same two parties per hour. Winner wins, loser loses and doesn't act childish about it.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Servers die because they don't go far enough. The most Classic server we have now is Blue99 and see all the success it's had. I have no idea how we think a PvP server with Play Nice Policy is going to thrive. That's just totally counterintuitive. It's like prison, where you have other inmates trying to kill you and the GMs as the wardens telling you what you can and can't do to defend yourself.

From what I hear, prison isn't very fun.

The problem with item loot right now is replacement. I'll quote myself cuz it's already buried.

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we're talking about this stage of the server lol.

the only guilds dragon capable atm are Holo and Nihi

there's legitimacy to the item loot thing. i'm pro item loot myself. the problem is, people don't see the forest for the trees. item loot may work for Holo and Nihi atm, but everyone else would be stuck wearing cloth at the end of the day.

i don't think some people are actually trolling...i just think they dont understand all the implications item loot would have right now. for most, replacing that robe some twink alt just took off them while they were lom and blissfully medding with their group would take a month of farming to replace. and it's not like NFP is full of traders, either.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One fight between the same two parties per hour. Winner wins, loser loses and doesn't act childish about it.

Or at least with mana loss on death, the victors can cement their victory and live the good life for 10-20 minutes after what is usually 10+ minutes of combat.