Consider Project 2002

[Wharhog]

The client issue is that this jan 2002 client is the only one that has ever been made Mac compatible. Reverse engineering a client is much harder than doing a database revamp. Love em or hate em Secrets deserves serious props for the skill it takes to do what was done with the client we all use.

[apio]

Most of the code is identical, in fact. However for sure it takes longer for code changes to make it to P2002, I think TAK is kind of the test box for the code and P2002 do not think it's really necessary to update code before it has been thoroughly tested on TAK, which I think is a good thing. When TAK was having huge problems for 2 weeks because of some code/lua change, P2002 was running perfectly fine. The corrupted code never made it to P2002.

I recommend that p2002 move back to main code base, as it is turning the server to crap

I did not care for all the bugs. Reminded me of playing on takp 6 months ago. It sucked.

I am actually very resentful towards what p2002 has done. It kinda throws much of the work that myself and others such as cavedude, Secrets, Robregen, Speedz, Torven, et. al., under the bus, with the claims that you can do better. I am unimpressed.

If you can't beat them, make up lies about them? After you already closed an off topic thread to shut down ads for P2002 (will this thread be next??), your bias is showing once again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You should be ashamed of yourself.

Now that you have finally fixed the player counter at least people can see through the lies , as it is now obvious P2002 has a larger population than TAK. So I am not surprised you have resorted to grasping at straws. Your fake ass attempt at coming off as objective has failed

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that you have finally fixed the player counter at least people can see through the lies , as it is now obvious P2002 has a larger population than TAK. So I am not surprised you have resorted to grasping at straws. Your fake ass attempt at coming off as objective has failed

I wasn't aware anyone gave two shits what the player counts were.

TAKP has 78-100 on weekends, P2002 has 30-80ish on average on the same days. I don't think there's anything to be upset about here on either sides - that is healthy for a small community in both regards.

I don't think we need to grasp at straws here - on either side. The hostility from day 1 is unwarranted.

It's clearly obvious you guys feel threatened by TAKP because they have people you don't like, and vice versa. No one cares and the competitive mentality is killing both of these communities. EQMac never was about competing servers, it was about 2-3 guilds (Temerity, Destiny, The Horde primarily) and they all got along somehow.

Do you really know why the EQMac server went to hell? Here's a history lesson: P1999 players went over to EQMac.

You don't see the P2002 staff shitting up the TAK advertisement thread. That's because they have better things to do, like developing content instead of developing a mental illness as you seem to be doing.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that this project was all content and no code. A majority of the time spent on TAKP lately was fixing the stuff that was mechanically wrong - see Torven's work, cavedude's work, Haynar's work, my work, etc...

I'd be in favor of close sourcing the code and database beyond what's available - it's obvious P2002 doesn't want to contribute and wants to destroy our community judging by the hostilities shown here. Three of their developers grasp at straws and attack Haynar unprovoked. What kind of bullshit is that?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really know why the EQMac server went to hell? Here's a history lesson: P1999 players went over to EQMac.

It's not a very good history lesson if don't explain how they got there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[apio]

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble. Once again, Haynar came in this thread and posted a bunch of bullshit. Everyone can see that this hostility is mainly initiated from your side. It is pretty sad that the two of you have to abuse your notoriety on this forum to try to shift opinions. At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble. Once again, Haynar came in this thread and posted a bunch of bullshit. Everyone can see that this hostility is mainly initiated from your side. It is pretty sad that the two of you have to abuse your notoriety on this forum to try to shift opinions. At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

According to the topic history that I see,

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it was unprovoked and someone asked Haynar when he started playing on P2002, with several P2002 'developers' chiming in.

[apio]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to the topic history that I see,

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it was unprovoked and someone asked Haynar when he started playing on P2002, with several P2002 'developers' chiming in.

rofl did you even read his post? Guess you were too busy screenshotting it and uploading it to the internet.

Oh, and we get it, you now have a job and a big screen. Everyone knows by now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Torven]

Oh wow, I'm popular.

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So Secrets, then tell me. Why do Torven or you or Haynar feel the need to rehash this every few weeks? Like I have said, the developers of P2002 do NOT come to the TAK thread and try to stir up trouble
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At least when Torven comes in here and spreads crap nobody give's a rats ass

I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh wow, I'm popular.



I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6zqHKd265E

[BossThunderace]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh wow, I'm popular.



I've posted in this thread all of two times (plus quick follow up replies to those posts) and the last time was 3 full months ago. You're probably confusing my posts here with the posts on our own message board-- which I know you guys love to read-- where in a few instances I responded to users asking why TAKP and P2002 differ.

To say that p2002 devs have never posted in TAKP's thread to 'stir up trouble' is one of your many lies. Wharhogg in fact started the trend of pointing out errors by publicly pointing out that we had hotzones enabled for some zones erroneously, in 'our' thread, so I returned the favor by listing some of yours. The second time I merely indicated that your database commits would be rejected if sharing them were feasible after you guys kept saying that you cannot contribute your database work. To say nothing of the constant bashing of TAKP staff members on anonymous accounts here from you guys while you were players on TAKP.

I feel sorry for your users, who play on a server that entirely exists as a form of revenge against Speedz who banned you and therefore could fold as soon as you grow bored of it. P2002 is in fact the perfect example of why most emus are closed source-- because disgruntled users could just take your years of work, start a new server overnight, out-advertise you and split your userbase. P2002 made virtually zero efforts to distinguish itself and copied TAKP's 3 box limit, PoK open, and leaving cats and iksar available. Your contributions back to us are absolutely minuscule. It's clear your goals were to spite TAKP and Speedz instead of providing something new to the community, and now the community suffers from a split userbase because of it. Not only is the community split, but half of them have to suffer an ez-mode database as well.

always interesting to see "adults" squabble hundreds of miles away on an eq emu forum.

Ego is an illuminating topic here as Devs from both sides seem to consistently disagree.

Be the bigger person and say - let the past be & move forward. all this back and forth nonsense is childish. We may have played EQ when we were kids, but that was many moons ago, lets at least pretend we've matured since then.




This thread is about p2002 and the people who want to share their positive gaming experience with other players.

p2002 is in Kunark.. the small community is awesome and constantly growing.