OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Eloian]

Taken didn't beat BDA on FTE. We had a peeps there if Taken wiped but we gave them their shot firstly and they pulled it off. Grats Taken folks. They had people xp'ing waiting for spawn, when window got short lots more came. All perfectly good.

Eloian Bushlover (not Political Bushes)
57 Ranger <BDA>

[Sinestria]

Originally Posted by Eloian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken didn't beat BDA on FTE. We had a peeps there if Taken wiped but we gave them their shot firstly and they pulled it off. Grats Taken folks. They had people xp'ing waiting for spawn, when window got short lots more came. All perfectly good.

Eloian Bushlover (not Political Bushes)
57 Ranger <BDA>

A prime example of the civility that has been missing from the raid scene. Leapfrogging and FTE was are stupid

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Eloian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken didn't beat BDA on FTE. We had a peeps there if Taken wiped but we gave them their shot firstly and they pulled it off. Grats Taken folks. They had people xp'ing waiting for spawn, when window got short lots more came. All perfectly good.

Eloian Bushlover (not Political Bushes)
57 Ranger <BDA>

Did not know that. But in any case, VS is still an FTE coinflip. Not sure if you guys remember this, but Full Circle got a VS from TMO a while back, the first time they ever tried.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by Eloian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken didn't beat BDA on FTE. We had a peeps there if Taken wiped but we gave them their shot firstly and they pulled it off. Grats Taken folks. They had people xp'ing waiting for spawn, when window got short lots more came. All perfectly good.

Eloian Bushlover (not Political Bushes)
57 Ranger <BDA>

Awesome that BDA allowed Taken to have first shot... Gratz... BUT... The second part of your statement is what really gets to me... Why didn't Taken/BDA "exp" in VS pit when VS was in "short" window before? Why haven't you been there the countless other times? C'mon guys...

[Eloian]

One day it became about everyone sitting on spawn points for FTE. How/when this started I'm not sure. If a guild maintains a certain # of people near a raid target I would assume they are putting in the extra effort for that one. Farming Juggs, XP'ing in Pits, Farming VP ent. We all love to chase our pixels. I love some wild competition races FTE, Lock down and Shinanigans aren't cool tho.

Eloian Bushlover (Bushes have feelings too)
57 Ranger <BDA>

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fuddwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Awesome that BDA allowed Taken to have first shot... Gratz... BUT... The second part of your statement is what really gets to me... Why didn't Taken/BDA "exp" in VS pit when VS was in "short" window before? Why haven't you been there the countless other times? C'mon guys...

Because it's not worth the time spent there over a 96+ hour window when the chances of getting the mob are vastly reduced with FE/IB/TMO there, DA stall tanking, doing whatever it takes, 3am batphones, etc.

You are conveniently neglecting the fact that conditions here were very different than the norm. Stop pretending like you don't understand that other guilds want to make sure their time spent doing that sort of thing has a reasonable chance of being rewarded.

When it's a 1-in-2 chance against a guild that may or may not have the experience/strat to be successful with a sudden VS pop... those are good odds. FE/IB couldn't engage immediately because of the "can't kill for 2 hours if we were the last to kill it" rule, so both hardcore guilds were out of the picture for that spawn. Completely different scenario than before these last two weeks and you know it.

Add FE/IB and TMO into the mix who know all the tricks and having VS be a high-priority mob? Chances are our time is going to be for nothing.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it's not worth the time spent there over a 96+ hour window when the chances of getting the mob are vastly reduced with FE/IB/TMO there, DA stall tanking, doing whatever it takes, 3am batphones, etc.

You are conveniently neglecting the fact that conditions here were very different than the norm. Stop pretending like you don't understand that other guilds want to make sure their time spent doing that sort of thing has a reasonable chance of being rewarded.

When it's a 1-in-2 chance against a guild that may or may not have the experience/strat to be successful with a sudden VS pop... those are good odds. FE/IB couldn't engage immediately because of the "can't kill for 2 hours if we were the last to kill it" rule, so both hardcore guilds were out of the picture for that spawn. Completely different scenario than before these last two weeks and you know it.

Add FE/IB and TMO into the mix who know all the tricks and having VS be a high-priority mob? Chances are our time is going to be for nothing.

Would really like to respond but this is just a never ending battle... You want... Meh.. Nvm..

GG

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fuddwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would really like to respond but this is just a never ending battle... You want... Meh.. Nvm..

GG

No, go ahead... please tell me how the situation in which Taken got VS this last spawn is anything like how it would have been prior to TMO's raid suspension with both TMO and FE/IB gunning for it, too.

[Moodie]

Originally Posted by Eloian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken didn't beat BDA on FTE. We had a peeps there if Taken wiped but we gave them their shot firstly and they pulled it off. Grats Taken folks. They had people xp'ing waiting for spawn, when window got short lots more came. All perfectly good.

Eloian Bushlover (not Political Bushes)
57 Ranger <BDA>

Check your logs... FTE was Taken.

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Moodie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Check your logs... FTE was Taken.

Nevertheless, I think keeping this on topic is key. I do like averages when I am accounting for things that arent so critical. I use worst case scenario when I want to make hard decisions. Worst case scenario seems to highly favor cat a. But that is 1 person in 1 guilds opinion - I refuse to speak for others!

I do appreciate all of the supportive facts though. It does show a great option if variance wasnt an issue!