Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

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Burn.

[Cecily]

There's no "better" in this situation. It's a dumb debate. It's either tanked or not. If it's tanked, it's tanked well or poorly based on gear and skill. The class doesn't matter. My rogue is an objectively better tank in terms of surviability (and agro) than A LOT of knights and warriors.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no "better" in this situation. It's a dumb debate. It's either tanked or not. If it's tanked, it's tanked well or poorly based on gear and skill. The class doesn't matter. My rogue is an objectively better tank in terms of surviability (and agro) than A LOT of knights and warriors.

There are always objectively better or worse classes in all scenarios. Such is the nature of an unbalanced class-based game. There is no harm in supplying the facts. Knowledge is power, and there is no need to obfuscate facts, even if the intent is to do something like destigmatize a class. Not saying you are doing that specifically.

As I've said before, you shouldn't stimgmatize Warriors. They can tank just fine in a group. Please invite them. They just aren't quite as good as Knights in most content, unless Warrior discs are needed.

[Penish]

they still haven't found the right combo for dsm's meds, at least it keeps the threads alive.. lol

[bcbrown]

If nothing is necessary then anything is possible.

[Troxx]

Lol

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I still don’t think the majority of you are parsing the difference between a red blade warrior and a pleb Ntov 2h knight on blues. Neither is touching a rogue let alone a charmed pet but the warrior isn’t doing great. Any difference might be a shaman pet…if that. This not saying which is better either, most properly geared 2h knights are smashing blues.

Meanwhile on a 30 second fight that’s maybe two spells which is almost no mana. You can pick the timing of when they land for ideal threat vs hoping for RNG which at maxed dex is 2ppm off the main hand or 1ppm in the same duration.

For generic grind and semi-raid use my pally has only had me wishing I had a warrior twice: Bro Z and the General in Kith. Both situations where adding a healer fixes the problem. If I had a warrior instead of a paladin I’d be fine with that too. Being able to use a ratio 2h for low threat dps is a nice hat trick even if tanking non-Lord/Lady stuff would be more ice skating than with a knight.

TBH, out of a bit of raid insecurity I’ve considered finishing the warrior as well. The knight doesn’t bring as much to the table other than trash tanking and SF clicks. Since then I’ve leveled up a bane wiz and cleric, both having even less dkp in them than my paladin let alone any properly equipped warrior. I’m sure I’ll finish the warrior eventually but I’ve just never seen a problem we couldn’t solve with a knight not involving a CH chain of more than 2 people.

[Troxx]

I have a NTOV 60 paladin and a 60 Frostreaver warrior.

The paladin and warrior can both solo easy shit. They both lock aggro equally well. The warrior takes a lot less damage and does 30-40% more damage despite having an objectively worse weapon.

Both hold aggro. Warrior does most all better. Honorable mention to Paladin for spell kit utility.

Sk has a shit spell book by comparison.

Ewww.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a NTOV 60 paladin and a 60 Frostreaver warrior.

The paladin and warrior can both solo easy shit. They both lock aggro equally well. The warrior takes a lot less damage and does 30-40% more damage despite having an objectively worse weapon.

Both hold aggro. Warrior does most all better. Honorable mention to Paladin for spell kit utility.

Sk has a shit spell book by comparison.

Ewww.

This shows your inexperience with Knights quite well. Paladins and Shadowknights can solo better than Warriors. If you don't understand this, you've only soloed "easy shit".

You also don't understand agro if you think a Frostreaver Warrior can hold agro equally well to a Paladin/SK. Frostreaver can be used by Knights by the way.

Finally, you don't seem to understand damage mitigation, as Paladins and Shadowknights also have methods for damage mitigation. Heals, Taps, Fear Kiting, etc. Warrior Discs are only needed on a small percentage of content.

You don't have an SK, which is probably the cause of your lack of understanding of SKs.

Please stop trolling, or please learn the game so you can be informed.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This shows your inexperience with Knights quite well. Paladins and Shadowknights can solo better than Warriors. If you don't understand this, you've only soloed "easy shit".

You also don't understand agro if you think a Frostreaver Warrior can hold agro equally well to a Paladin/SK. Frostreaver can be used by Knights by the way.

Finally, you don't seem to understand damage mitigation, as Paladins and Shadowknights also have methods for damage mitigation. Heals, Taps, Fear Kiting, etc. Warrior Discs are only needed on a small percentage of content.

You don't have an SK, which is probably the cause of your lack of understanding of SKs.

Please stop trolling, or please learn the game so you can be informed.

A) I said they both lock aggro equally well. Perhaps I should have specified that knights do so immediately 100% of the time they want it, but we all play this game and this is basic knowledge. In groups/raids my warrior doesn’t have aggro issues. He locks aggro. Locked aggro is locked aggro. Once he has it he doesn’t lose it unless someone with a spellbook and desire wants to intentionally steal it. The white damage and threat from Frostreaver is legit especially at 60 with mainhand triple attack. It is more or less a given that a knight who is trying will always run circles around a warrior - that has never been in question. Rangers can do so in spades as well.

B) I also said they both solo easy shit well. Point to me where I said the warrior solos better. Oh that’s right. I didn’t.

C). Taps/heals are not mitigation. They are healing. Rooting and backing up is not mitigation, it is avoidance of combat. Fear kiting is similar. Please do not mix up your terminology. Toe to toe and gear being comparable, the warrior will take fewer hits (better avoidance skills) and take less damage per hit (superior ac returns amongst other perks) 100% of the time outside of disc. Under disc, they are an entirely separate entity on the tanking front.

Un-wad your panties. Sorry you chose the worst tank for 99% of content.