Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Troxx]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=406923&page=5

lol like seriously this entire page is mostly DSM talking about how dangerous enchanter charms are and how bad things happen and will set you back.

Compare that to now where he considers himself as a shaman to be Jesus, the flash and Batman …. Simultaneously capable of doing all the things/utility you want a shaman for and magically bippityboppityboop_ing away the risk cause he can handle that too. lol!

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It happens. If you are in an easy area it doesn't really matter what your group comp is. But in a riskier/higher level zone like Chardok 3x breaks are going to be bad news. That's the point. Nobody cares about what level 40 Enchanters can do hehe, because it's all easy content.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reality is if you get one of those wipe situations it will seriously set you back in terms of how many kills you are getting per hour. The average is what matters at the end of the day, not how far you can push the game at the cost of having too much risk of a wipe.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=406923&page=5

lol like seriously this entire page is mostly DSM talking about how dangerous enchanter charms are and how bad things happen and will set you back.

Compare that to now where he considers himself as a shaman to be Jesus, the flash and Batman …. Simultaneously capable of doing all the things/utility you want a shaman for and magically bippityboppityboop_ing away the risk cause he can handle that too. lol!

Troxx seems to forget (or didn't read) that discussion was about 3 Enchanters, which I am not advocating for lol.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is unfortunate civil discussion cannot be had on these forums.

You could try responding to people's posts instead of simply calling them trolls or ignoring them, I tried to engage in a civil discussion with you and you simply ignored or dismissed my posts as trolling, without addressing the actual content of the posts.

For example, I'll again point out the true objective fact that you DSM have not provided evidence of your (or any) Shaman root rotting adds parallel to their group. Stating this fact is not me "trolling", it is simply stating an irrefutable fact (which cannot be refuted).

If you were truly interested in civil discussion and supporting your claim (which you argued for tens/hundreds/thousands of posts), you could address this by simply providing evidence to support your claim. This should be a simple point to start or continue the civil discussion, if you were actually interested in having one. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure why you seem to have such a problem providing evidence to support your claims, especially considering you continually demand others provide evidence to support their claims. The ball is in your court!

[Troxx]

Cyxth,

He has never been interested in having a civil discussion about any topic he’s made up his mind on. When confronted with logic/information that erodes his understanding of reality it’s like his brainstem kicks in and enacts subconscious defensive countermeasures to protect his terminally frail sense of self.

Countermeasures thus far observed (in order or frequency seen)

-call the person a troll
-refuse to confront reality and smokescreen with a strawman counter-question as a flare, refuse to engage in the topic at hand until other parties play by his rules and answer demanded questions
-move a goalpost
-thank people for concessions not given
-“as you can see” … talk to an imaginary audience that isn’t there
-change the parameters of reality and/or redefine the situation/question

[DeathsSilkyMist]

People can look at the post history and decide for themselves. It is not on your side I am afraid. People can see for themselves what you are doing. They don't need to take my word for it, or yours.

If you think calling people you disagree with "retarded" in hundreds of different posts as a simple example is civil, you have a strange definition of the term.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People can look at the post history and decide for themselves. It is not on your side I am afraid.

I am only on the side of the truth.

Unfortunately the truth is, people simply can't look at any post history in which you provide any evidence of a Shaman root rotting adds parallel to their group because you simply never provided any such evidence, even though you argued for tens/hundreds/thousands of posts that by doing so a Shaman would/could improve a group's DPS more than a non-Epic Mage. I fear you are not going to convince many logical, rational people to believe your claims if you cannot provide evidence to support the claims.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cyxth,

He has never been interested in having a civil discussion about any topic he’s made up his mind on. When confronted with logic/information that erodes his understanding of reality it’s like his brainstem kicks in and enacts subconscious defensive countermeasures to protect his terminally frail sense of self.

Countermeasures thus far observed (in order or frequency seen)

-call the person a troll
-refuse to confront reality and smokescreen with a strawman counter-question as a flare, refuse to engage in the topic at hand until other parties play by his rules and answer demanded questions
-move a goalpost
-thank people for concessions not given
-“as you can see” … talk to an imaginary audience that isn’t there
-change the parameters of reality and/or redefine the situation/question

I think you're spot on. Many posters have tried to engage in discussion, to simply be called a troll, their arguments dismissed and/or ignored while DSM constructs straw men to argue against instead, and then demands the other person provide evidence to support the straw man DSM created (LOL!). Wild when he won't or can't even provide evidence to support his own claims.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Countermeasures thus far observed (in order or frequency seen)

You left out one of my favorites, dismissing a reasonable counterpoint as “silly” instead of engaging seriously.

[Troxx]

Ahhh a walk down memory lane

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll throw in another vote for Enc/Enc/Clr/Nec. The utility you gain from the Necro will likely outweigh the additional DPS from the Mage over the long term. And when you really want to go ham you have the option for the third charm pet in many zones. Under no circumstances would you ever want a Shaman. DSM seriously making the argument that a Shaman can out-DPS a Mage because he root rots four mobs at a time is one of the most breathtaking displays of autism ever seen on these boards. He keeps falling back on the math. Well, that's kind of like saying that because you can shotgun a single beer in five seconds, you're capable of drinking 720 beers per hour. The math checks out, but in practice this is not how real life works. Shamans are not a group DPS class because no group wastes time root rotting four mobs at a time. If you're killing that slowly why even have a group in the first place?

Page 14 (first post) … first mention of DSM’s DSM-V condition and it wasn’t even me.

I’m McLuvin the read-through

[DeathsSilkyMist]

You can choose to believe that if you wish.

It seems like the debate is over, as trolls like troxx and cyxthryth are posting nonsense and agreeing with each other.

This happens when points have been made that they cannot rebut. They seem to think flooding the thread with these posts makes them look good, and me look bad. The post history disproves the nonsense.

And they wonder why the thread is 500+ pages.