Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are casters, tbh

Agreed, if not a segment of itself. I just didn’t know if we were bending the rule and didn’t read the rest of this novel to confirm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

The OP confirmed that bards are out of scope at the same point when Troxx analysed bards. It was in the first 50 pages I think but I’m not gonna look it up.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have short term memory. Troxx just dismisses anything out of hand he cannot rebut. Shaman/Enchanter synnergy does not go away when you remove the Monk.

Uhhh it was never the shaman/enchanter synergy that makes that group great … It was monk/shaman synergy which is well established. Adding an enchanter just made what was already a powerhouse duo even better.

Cleric/enchanter is undeniably a far superior duo than shaman/ench.

When you duo with an enchanter you are mostly there to support them in the overpowered crap they are already doing by themselves.

Perhaps you should try actually playing a cleric? I’ve got all classes to 60 but ench/wiz/sk/rog. I’ve clocked thousands of hours on my cleric and my shaman. I would never dream of playing my shaman over my cleric duo with an enchanter. I’ve also never gotten a cold-call tell from an enchanter asking to duo with my shaman. I have gotten such tells unsolicited across multiple zones dozens of times on my cleric. Heck - I’ve even gotten tells on my PALADIN asking to duo with an enchanter.

Shamans and ench are just fine. They can get by. Cleric and ench is simply better.

You’re a funny fella

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s sunken cost vs authority fallacy then.

You assume playing a shaman for thousands of hours instead of tens of thousands of hours means someone can’t crack the cypher of alternating torp and canni.

My point is having more toons makes someone more objective and less biased. They all have flaws. I’m not proud of my 8.9 level 60’s. It’s very sad, TBH.

If a buddy has an enchanter, or two of them do, I will pick my class based on the need of the group. Not the need for me to prove I’m right about my favorite class. I can play a good ranger but am not so deluded to think it’s optimal.

I’ll let the poll I posted vote for me. I know how to best support enchanters based on my perspective but would appreciate theirs. Frankly, the best four person group is likely 4 enchanters with a cleric parked out.

I am just explaining the mechanics of the game. It is not sunken cost. You are assuming I am biased without evidence it sounds like.

A person who has an Enchanter or Cleric would also be biased under your logic, but I don't see you complaining about players with Enchanters or Clerics speaking up about how their classes work.

It always seems like the bias argument is alway levied at me, and never at the Cleric or Enchanter players. It is quite strange.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhhh it was never the shaman/enchanter synergy that makes this duo great … It was monk/shaman synergy which is well established. Adding an enchanter just made what was already a powerhouse duo even better.

Cleric/enchanter is undeniably a far superior duo than shaman/ench.

When you duo with an enchanter you are mostly there to support them in the overpowered crap they are already doing by themselves.

Perhaps you should try actually playing a cleric? I’ve got all classes to 60 but ench/wiz/sk/rog. I’ve clocked thousands of hours on my cleric and my shaman. I would never dream of playing my shaman over my cleric duo with an enchanter. I’ve also never gotten a cold-call tell from an enchanter asking to duo with my shaman. I have gotten such tells unsolicited across multiple zones dozens of times on my cleric.

You’re a funny fella

Are you suggesting the Monk/Shaman synnergy is the reason why the group can maintain an Enchanter pet without a Cleric lol? The Shaman/Enchanter is the cornerstone. The Monk is the least needed of the three.

I've been asked by Enchanters to do Fungi King without a Cleric, if you want to talk about personal experience.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been asked by Enchanters to do Fungi King without a Cleric, if you want to talk about personal experience.

Derp - and most of the times I’ve done fungi king we didn’t have a shaman! Fungi king is not a hard mob. The only thing remotely challenging about the camp is managing the pull.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/Enchanter is the cornerstone.

Fixed that for you. When you duo/trio with a competent enchanter, everyone else is secondary. The question then becomes how best do you support the enchanter.

There is no magical synergy between ench and shaman. Ench and druid would be every bit as effective - maybe more so depending on location. Egress/Succor, snare, free clicky regrowth, PoTG, and animal charm potential.

Clerics have a unique toolkit neither of the other priests have.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derp - and most of the times I’ve done fungi king we didn’t have a shaman! Fungi king is not a hard mob. The only thing remotely challenging about the camp is managing the pull.

You still can't name a camp where a Cleric would be better. Shaman makes Fungi King easier compared to Cleric, for example.

He's not that hard, but most mobs aren't that hard.

With regards to Enchanter/Shaman synnergy compared to Enchanter druid synnergy, you forgot about Torpor Tanking again.

[Troxx]

This post from this thread nearly 13 months ago is still solid gold.

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM most of what you do is point out technical vagrancies and propose strawman arguments. Most of the arguments you have are meaningless if not strawman. You are not comprehending simple concepts. You act as if you don't know some things are true.

You are either a disciplined troll or you have some mental disability combined with a higher level of narcissism than normal.

You are ripe for bullying, you egg people on because your so out of touch, vocal and stubborn. You are very unlikeable. Please evaluate your self. I mean your real self, not your shaman. And if you’re a troll, congrats, best I have ever seen.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post from this thread nearly 13 months ago is still solid gold.

Troxx has lost the debate and gone back to being a troll. Unfortunate.

Please note he is still dodging the question about naming a camp where a Cleric is better. He was asked this many pages ago and still refuses to answer.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no magical synergy between ench and shaman. Ench and druid would be every bit as effective - maybe more so depending on location. Egress/Succor, snare, free clicky regrowth, PoTG, and animal charm potential.

I find it interesting that Troxx seems to think a Druid/Enchanter would be able to do just fine in terms of pet health without Torpor Tanking or CH. Is he saying it's fine to not have CH now?