Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Snaggles]

Vaniki is not a normal “camp”.

I’m not an enchanter nor have any experience at it past low 50’s solo. IMHO we should ask some experts here what class they want as a 4th. Unless people ignored their feedback over the prior 500 pages to posture and pout…

[Troxx]

I am not convinced a group of 4 casters can kill Vaniki - period. I’ve healed a pretty beefy raid tank warrior under discipline. We had 2 clerics, a torpor shaman, it was preslowed and we had several raid level melee dps. Vaniki damage spikes are insane enough that the most reliable way of not having the warrior die was to start the cheal after the first round the warrior took damage.

A single cleric very realistically would run out of mana before 2 charm pets would get him dead. Both pets would end up slowed to Willsapper as the one that started tanking would quickly lose aggro to the one not actively tanking. Heaven forbid you toss a charm break into the mix … and beyond that how do precisely to plan to even pull him, rip him from the train, and how - with this type of crew - would you manage to kite him until a slow lands. He is a caster and can and will root, prematurely aggro pets …

The more I consider Vaniki - the more I consider him beyond the capabilities of any 4 casters. If a viable strat does exist it likely would involve each enchanter having 3-4 mezzed back-up pets lined up to throw at him when their pet inevitably dies.

For Vaniki, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how the shaman needs a pocket cleric to make the group viable yet the cleric doesn’t need a pocket shaman.

Still foot stomping this. Our resident retard has no rebuttal to this.

[Snaggles]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not convinced a group of 4 casters can solo Vaniki - period. I’ve healed a pretty beefy raid tank warrior under discipline. We had 2 clerics, a torpor shaman, it was preslowed and we had several raid level melee dps. Vaniki damage spikes are insane enough that the most reliable way of not having the warrior die was to start the cheal after the first round the warrior took damage.

A single cleric very realistically would run out of mana before 2 charm pets would get him dead. Both pets would end up slowed to Willsapper as the one that started tanking would quickly lose aggro to the one not actively tanking. Heaven forbid you toss a charm break into the mix … and beyond that how do precisely to plan to even pull him, rip him from the train, and how - with this type of crew - would you manage to kite him until a slow lands. He is a caster and can and will root, prematurely aggro pets …

The more I consider Vaniki - the more I consider him beyond the capabilities of any 4 casters.



Still foot stomping this. Our resident retard has no rebuttal to this.

Troxx is back to attacking autistic people because he lost the debate. He was doing so well too. Hopefully he can recover from this and explain his position rationally.

The only person who has been unable to explain their position on pocket clerics is Troxx. He says they aren't allowed, but cannot say why. There is no rule OP made, people use pocket clerics in normal play, and mules would be restricted too if he wants to pretend you can only use the four main characters. I doubt anyone would adhere to this.

[Snaggles]

Do you cleric much, DSM? If I have to pick my shaman over my cleric it’s not even a debate unless my cleric is parked for raids.

Aego, stun command, CH, divine light+remedy combo for charm break Hp recovery. I don’t even mem Celestial Elixir. Edit: forgot to mention rez, lol.

Even the mana savings for a duo slowing with a sham is way more dangerous. Can’t help spot heal as well when taking hits. Less HP’s to buff. No targeted AoE non-damaging stun with a 1 sec cast.

Stun command is so good it makes a cleric fun to play…

/target “enchanter name”
/stand
/cast # (stun command gem)

From medding to stunning a charm break and the kill target in one click. Lasts up to 8 seconds.

[Snaggles]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric. The 4th seat is up for debate here.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again though, I don’t think anyone is trying to seriously debate a sham OR cleric.

Yes. DSM is doing precisely that. He is advocating for not bringing a cleric and taking a shaman instead. Hence his argument for pocket clerics to log in for rezzes. It’s absurd.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx is back to attacking autistic people

I referred to you as our resident retard. Intellectual disability (mental retardation) and autism are very different things.

Swing and a miss …

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you cleric much, DSM? If I have to pick my shaman over my cleric it’s not even a debate unless my cleric is parked for raids.

Aego, stun command, CH, divine light+remedy combo for charm break Hp recovery. I don’t even mem Celestial Elixir. Edit: forgot to mention rez, lol.

Even the mana savings for a duo slowing with a sham is way more dangerous. Can’t help spot heal as well when taking hits. Less HP’s to buff. No targeted AoE non-damaging stun with a 1 sec cast.

Stun command is so good it makes a cleric fun to play…

/target “enchanter name”
/stand
/cast # (stun command gem)

From medding to stunning a charm break and the kill target in one click. Lasts up to 8 seconds.

I could ask the same thing to you about Shamans. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a powerful trio that doesn't use a Cleric at all, and has a Charmed pet. This is because most content a single small group without a Warrior can do is Torpor tankable. Enchanters can handle most charm breaks solo too.

When you have played the game enough, you realize only a small portion of desireable group content is unslowable, or does enough damage even when slowed to become untankable with Torpor.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. DSM is doing precisely that. He is advocating for not bringing a cleric and taking a shaman instead. Hence his argument for pocket clerics to log in for rezzes. It’s absurd.



I referred to you as our resident retard. Intellectual disability (mental retardation) and autism are very different things.

Swing and a miss …

Remember I said Shaman/Cleric/Enchanter/Enchanter page one. Please stop twisting my words because you are a troll.

Pocket Clerics are a reality though, so a group can use that instead if they want a different class from Cleric. A Torpor Shaman isn't a pocket character. Nor is a 60 Enchanter with full spellbook. Some classes are pocketable, like Cleric. They only need to be level 49 for CH and 90% res.

[Snaggles]

Thanks for responding with a veiled dig.

Ok, do you have a 60 cleric?