BDA to Phinigel

[jcr4990]

On an instanced server "cheating" is somewhat of a victimless crime. Doesn't really hurt anybody else if u cheat in an instance. Well I guess unless u consider cheating to trivialize content cause that'd ruin the challenge for the rest of your raid/guild. But all things considered on a instance server if I had the choice between a guild that "cheats" and by cheating we're talking about abusing game mechanics just to be clear. Not abusing 3rd party hacking tools or anything of that sort. In that case I would 10/10 times choose the "Cheating" guild over the guild that takes 6 hours to clear VT with 60 people and has a loot council thats been proven to be corrupt as fuck. Seriously that sounds like fucking torture. I cringe when it takes 4hrs and we do it with like 30-40.

[jcr4990]

and I still don't buy for a second that nobody wiht a BDA tag ate a suspension over this. People from every guild on the server had people doing it. General chat was SPAMMED with defiant armor links for like 4 hours straight the night before I left for my vaca.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On an instanced server "cheating" is somewhat of a victimless crime. Doesn't really hurt anybody else if u cheat in an instance. Well I guess unless u consider cheating to trivialize content cause that'd ruin the challenge for the rest of your raid/guild. But all things considered on a instance server if I had the choice between a guild that "cheats" and by cheating we're talking about abusing game mechanics just to be clear. Not abusing 3rd party hacking tools or anything of that sort. In that case I would 10/10 times choose the "Cheating" guild over the guild that takes 6 hours to clear VT with 60 people and has a loot council thats been proven to be corrupt as fuck. Seriously that sounds like fucking torture. I cringe when it takes 4hrs and we do it with like 30-40.

Quit sounding like a jealous girlfriend. 2 Pages ago you were condemning cheaters and saying you hope they get banned. Now you're flip flopping to make your guild sound better. If you asked me if I would rather join a guild that used MQ2 to automate harm touch to kill mobs within 1 second in the past and been caught cheating time and time again or take 6 hours to actually play the game....I'd actually play the game. When you are "cheating," you're not even really playing the game. Have you ever played StarCraft with show me the money?

Your obsession with a guild in a virtual world is beyond ridiculous, especially for this long and this often. It's funny to post something maybe once every two weeks but you literally give a shit way too much.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit sounding like a jealous girlfriend. 2 Pages ago you were condemning cheaters and saying you hope they get banned. Now you're flip flopping to make your guild sound better. If you asked me if I would rather join a guild that used MQ2 to automate harm touch to kill mobs within 1 second in the past and been caught cheating time and time again or take 6 hours to actually play the game....I'd actually play the game. When you are "cheating," you're not even really playing the game. Have you ever played StarCraft with show me the money?

Your obsession with a guild in a virtual world is beyond ridiculous, especially for this long and this often. It's funny to post something maybe once every two weeks but you literally give a shit way too much.

I clearly made a distinction between 3rd party program cheating and abusing ingame mechanics cheating. 2 totally different things as far as I'm concerned. One of them doesn't even really classify as "cheating" if you ask me. But yea I do think the people (including my own guildies and the people in BDA we all know did it) deserve punishments for abusing the claim bug like that. You have to use your own judgement. The claim bug is obviously a huge deal with major ramifications and could literally ruin the entire server by trivializing all the content for several expansions.

On the flip side though. What about pre-building aggro on a raid mob with pets? Many people including myself would consider that exploiting an unintended game mechanics but it's something most guilds do and something BDA did regularly. So BDA is high and mighty because they don't break the rules they decided are the important ones that you shouldn't break? Sounds like some super convenient logic.

[jcr4990]

At the end of the day if you're using 3rd party programs/hacking you're definitely a scumbag cheater. If you're using/abusing the mechanics of the game it's a totally different story. It's something almost every single EQ player that's ever existed has done to some extent at one point or another. How many people haven't yoyo'd mobs with wacky pathing? How many people haven't used pets to prebuild aggro? How many people have never used /rewind to warp backwards in a way that benefits them rather than its intended use of just breaking you out of geometry you got stuck in? *cough* Chest in PoSky *cough*

We all draw our own lines in the sand of what's acceptable and what isn't. But really the fault lies with Daybreak for not fixing the bugs people are using to their advantage. If there's something able to be abused to gain an edge in the game people are going to do it. I don't necessarily fault them for it. When the exploit is impactful enough to threaten the existence of the server as we know it (Like the claim bug) I do think punitive action needs to be taken. It is what it is.

[khysanth]

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[Phantasm]

Why do people still give a shit
Go outside

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the end of the day if you're using 3rd party programs/hacking you're definitely a scumbag cheater. If you're using/abusing the mechanics of the game it's a totally different story. It's something almost every single EQ player that's ever existed has done to some extent at one point or another. How many people haven't yoyo'd mobs with wacky pathing? How many people haven't used pets to prebuild aggro? How many people have never used /rewind to warp backwards in a way that benefits them rather than its intended use of just breaking you out of geometry you got stuck in? *cough* Chest in PoSky *cough*

We all draw our own lines in the sand of what's acceptable and what isn't. But really the fault lies with Daybreak for not fixing the bugs people are using to their advantage. If there's something able to be abused to gain an edge in the game people are going to do it. I don't necessarily fault them for it. When the exploit is impactful enough to threaten the existence of the server as we know it (Like the claim bug) I do think punitive action needs to be taken. It is what it is.

The double posting of deflection is amazing. You're guild is comprised of cheaters, stop making excuses for their actions. How they cheated doesn't matter, only the fact that they cheated.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The double posting of deflection is amazing. You're guild is comprised of cheaters, stop making excuses for their actions. How they cheated doesn't matter, only the fact that they cheated.

So if you use a pet to build aggro before fighting a raid mob you're equally guilty as a filthy cheater to the guy that uses MQ2 to ghostkill? Your brain is fucking stupid

[Daldaen]

Phinigel has lots of cheaters unfortunately.

The prevalence and blatant use of ShowEQ is pretty upsetting. Really wish they'd come down with the banhammer on that. If you want to track, roll a tracking class noobs.