So that's it for the election.

[Alawen]

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Do you want to use U6? Do you want to use John Williams' comparisons when a much smaller percentage of women participated in the workforce? More to the point of this article, do you want to compare U3 numbers under Bush with SGS numbers under Obama?

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Do you want to use U6? Do you want to use John Williams' comparisons when a much smaller percentage of women participated in the workforce? More to the point of this article, do you want to compare U3 numbers under Bush with SGS numbers under Obama?

Yes U6 should be used.
Yes the UE flashy number was altered for political gain under Clinton.
I thought I was clear in stating BLS massages numbers and the real economy and employment are in more dire situation. I must've been opaque or you are being dense.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes U6 should be used.
Yes the UE flashy number was altered for political gain under Clinton.
I thought I was clear in stating BLS massages numbers and the real economy and employment are in more dire situation. I must've been opaque or you are being dense.

Yeah, I'm done with you. The everyone else is stupid approach to discussion has gotten really boring, especially when you ignore the question actually relevant to the current thread. Fuck off.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I'm done with you. The everyone else is stupid approach to discussion has gotten really boring, especially when you ignore the question actually relevant to the current thread. Fuck off.

Good to see you couldn't hack it so you decided to cry like a baby and see slights that weren't there and just quit instead of refuting current BLS stat measurement techniques.

I answered your question by the way, I said we should use U6 and incorporate longer term discouraged workers and that the decision to stop using that measurement in 1994 was politically motivated. Sorry you chose to ignore that.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm afraid I don't get your point. Do you want to use U6? Do you want to use John Williams' comparisons when a much smaller percentage of women participated in the workforce? More to the point of this article, do you want to compare U3 numbers under Bush with SGS numbers under Obama?

You've obviously got some random fucking ax that you want to grind with the BLS, but it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion. Looking at U3 versus U6 changes exactly nothing. Including SGS in your post just makes you into a weirdo crank who wants to compare things with a different era when women didn't work.

No one is afraid of your Seeking Alpha bullshit. You're just not interesting.

[Reiker000]

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[Ephirith]

Fuck your democracy (or consitutional republic).

1. Make citizenship (voting) a privilege earned either through 2 or more years military service or civil service (government work paid at a rate similar to enlisted military). Service guarantees citizenship, bitch. Would you like to know more?

2. Eliminate and reverse suburban sprawl through zoning and building codes. City infrastructure should be efficiently planned and decentralized to facilitate travel either by walking, bicycle, or short, uncongested car rides. The cost of gas siphons an inordinately high amount of disposable income from the average citizen, in addition to logistical effects (shipping). Most of this money is removed from our economy and goes overseas to OPEC.

3. Remove barriers to the further proliferation of nuclear energy. This is the most efficient power source known to mankind, and among the safest. Compare the remote, marginal risk of nuclear accidents to the certainty of damage to public health wrought by coal power. Tens of thousands of cases of lung cancer every year if you include coal mining. The more we use nuclear power the more we will understand and innovate the technology, and it will become even more efficient.

4. Strict population control. One-child or two-child policy for several generations. Forced abortions for violators. Think about how much better life would be if our country had 30 million people instead of 300 million. Each life means so much more-- organization is so much easier, and ~all~ resources would go 10x further.

5. Cut the fuck out of the military. This isn't the cold war, there is no monolithic superpower to challenge us. China is a fucking joke. Of the next 10 largest economies and largest militaries, most of them are our close allies-- and they simply choose to rely on the US military without funding one of their own.

Germany, one of the greatest martial states in human history, is our close ally and largely unarmed. Same with Japan. Counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism can be accomplished with lightweight, intelligent contingents of special forces with excellent logistics and equipment-- NOT an ineffective, expensive occupation. If we do need a huge conventional military again, it is not difficult to re-arm and re-mobilize in a pinch. Huge standing armies and military-industrial complex are a fairly recent development (ww2) for us, and a massive economic burden. This money needs to be going to education and infrastructure.

That's my 5-point plan, lick my ballsack.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck your democracy (or consitutional republic).

1. Make citizenship (voting) a privilege earned either through 2 or more years military service or civil service (government work paid at a rate similar to enlisted military). Service guarantees citizenship, bitch. Would you like to know more?

2. Eliminate and reverse suburban sprawl through zoning and building codes. City infrastructure should be efficiently planned and decentralized to facilitate travel either by walking, bicycle, or short, uncongested car rides. The cost of gas siphons an inordinately high amount of disposable income from the average citizen, in addition to logistical effects (shipping). Most of this money is removed from our economy and goes overseas to OPEC.

3. Remove barriers to the further proliferation of nuclear energy. This is the most efficient power source known to mankind, and among the safest. Compare the remote, marginal risk of nuclear accidents to the certainty of damage to public health wrought by coal power. Tens of thousands of cases of lung cancer every year if you include coal mining. The more we use nuclear power the more we will understand and innovate the technology, and it will become even more efficient.

4. Strict population control. One-child or two-child policy for several generations. Forced abortions for violators. Think about how much better life would be if our country had 30 million people instead of 300 million. Each life means so much more-- organization is so much easier, and ~all~ resources would go 10x further.

5. Cut the fuck out of the military. This isn't the cold war, there is no monolithic superpower to challenge us. China is a fucking joke. Of the next 10 largest economies and largest militaries, most of them are our close allies-- and they simply choose to rely on the US military without funding one of their own.

Germany, one of the greatest martial states in human history, is our close ally and largely unarmed. Same with Japan. Counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism can be accomplished with lightweight, intelligent contingents of special forces with excellent logistics and equipment-- NOT an ineffective, expensive occupation. If we do need a huge conventional military again, it is not difficult to re-arm and re-mobilize in a pinch. Huge standing armies and military-industrial complex are a fairly recent development (ww2) for us, and a massive economic burden. This money needs to be going to education and infrastructure.

That's my 5-point plan, lick my ballsack.

I'd vote for you, although I'm not too worked up about #4--most Western countries already have natality below replacement levels. There are demographic impacts to an aging population that will become more obvious as the boomers all retire.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck your democracy (or consitutional republic).

1. Make citizenship (voting) a privilege earned either through 2 or more years military service or civil service (government work paid at a rate similar to enlisted military). Service guarantees citizenship, bitch. Would you like to know more?

2. Eliminate and reverse suburban sprawl through zoning and building codes. City infrastructure should be efficiently planned and decentralized to facilitate travel either by walking, bicycle, or short, uncongested car rides. The cost of gas siphons an inordinately high amount of disposable income from the average citizen, in addition to logistical effects (shipping). Most of this money is removed from our economy and goes overseas to OPEC.

3. Remove barriers to the further proliferation of nuclear energy. This is the most efficient power source known to mankind, and among the safest. Compare the remote, marginal risk of nuclear accidents to the certainty of damage to public health wrought by coal power. Tens of thousands of cases of lung cancer every year if you include coal mining. The more we use nuclear power the more we will understand and innovate the technology, and it will become even more efficient.

4. Strict population control. One-child or two-child policy for several generations. Forced abortions for violators. Think about how much better life would be if our country had 30 million people instead of 300 million. Each life means so much more-- organization is so much easier, and ~all~ resources would go 10x further.

5. Cut the fuck out of the military. This isn't the cold war, there is no monolithic superpower to challenge us. China is a fucking joke. Of the next 10 largest economies and largest militaries, most of them are our close allies-- and they simply choose to rely on the US military without funding one of their own.

Germany, one of the greatest martial states in human history, is our close ally and largely unarmed. Same with Japan. Counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism can be accomplished with lightweight, intelligent contingents of special forces with excellent logistics and equipment-- NOT an ineffective, expensive occupation. If we do need a huge conventional military again, it is not difficult to re-arm and re-mobilize in a pinch. Huge standing armies and military-industrial complex are a fairly recent development (ww2) for us, and a massive economic burden. This money needs to be going to education and infrastructure.

That's my 5-point plan, lick my ballsack.

So, fascism, basically?

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, fascism, basically?

Fascism exactly. Note that Nazi germany is to fascism as square is to rectangle. I don't believe in racial purity, genocide, or any of that shit. A fascist state can still be a representative democracy/republic, and it needn't be corrupt or brutal. It's a synthesis between personal responsibility and collective responsibility. I think it's the system with the greatest compromise between individual potential and collective potential.

Plus Starship Troopers was a really good movie.