Kyle Rittenhouse = Based God

[Spergand]

Originally Posted by auura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the third response of yours where you attempt to project your own feelings onto me. Case in point, this quote from you which I found with a 5 second search:
If either of us has been warped by media, I would wager it is you, lol.

Nice quote. I expect it shall stand the test of time

[auura]

I don't speak for Baler, but suspect the majority of people who bring up the comment that he had drugs in his system do so for a couple reasons but generally to paint him as someone entirely at odds with upstanding members of society.

This would serve a tri-fold purpose: (1) getting regular people to believe that, even if he was murdered, he was a criminal (unlike regular people) so he had it coming; (2) to generally reduce any empathy from regular people by painting him as someone entirely different from them; and (3) most importantly, as Baler stated directly, to discredit the rationale behind the protests as being based on lies.

IE: "these people are protesting 'injustice' against criminals!!! As long as you aren't a criminal you won't suffer injustice and non-black criminals don't suffer discrimination by the police to any statistically significance (actually this part they can't show, but they claim, incorrectly, that it results from their accepted premises premises)."

In the same breath, though, they belie this already weak and unsupported theory by stating that Rittenhouse is being treated unjustly and did nothing wrong! Deepstate or media pressure or whatever the fuck the argument is. If anyone is being discriminated against, its fat white incels lol =P

[Baler]

To be fair to you auura I brought up the drugs in his system because it gives a valid reason for him to be resisting arrest. It's in no way me trying to justify what happened to him. I think what happened was horrible and wrong.
I want to take a leap and also say it's horrible and wrong for rioters to cause severe damage to cities fueled by lies and emotions.

Getting back to Rittenhouse, You have rioters planning to cause damage to businesses fueled by lies and emotions (& money?)
A group of individuals including kyle get the keen idea to 'protect' some businesses by carrying firearms. But there is video of kyle running around in the street, that's not exactly protecting a business.
But we also see for example the skateboard kid make an offense leap towards kyle and is shot in return. It's a very messy situation all together.

[auura]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair to you auura I brought up the drugs in his system because it gives a valid reason for him to be resisting arrest. It's in no way me trying to justify what happened to him. I think what happened was horrible and wrong.

I can find some common ground with you, too, as I believe there was a valid reason to arrest Floyd. The problem is too many of these cases involve in death due to police escalation. Not sure if you saw the white autistic kid who was killed by cops in Utah after his mom called the police because he was having a fit of some kind - its more egregious than the Floyd case by far, but probably got swept under the rug because it fits neither side's narrative (he wasnt black so doesnt help the libs and he was killed by cops so it doesnt help the cons).

I believe you brought up the drugs in the system case for the reason you said, taking you at your word, but the idea of showing someone had unclean hands has been used throughout history to discredit people, show that they deserved what they got, and remove empathy from their supporters and I believe that is happening with the Floyd case in general.

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

Now its funny for me to say this because, like I said, I am isolated from it and have no financial difficulties. That said, I actually don't want desperate people banging on my door to get my shit. Many people would think in such a position i would be an ardent 2a supporter and look for more aggressive policing. I believe that would be a mistake. We need more education and more opportunity for the poor. If we let their circumstances get too bad, there will be more poor and desperate people than there will be people to shoot them when they threaten the rest.

[PieOats]

Originally Posted by auura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

If my state imposed house arrest on the population and mandated face coverings for a disease with a 99.98% survival rate for persons under the age of 49, do you feel that it would be appropriate for me to drive to your state and burn down your house in protest? ��

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by auura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can find some common ground with you, too, as I believe there was a valid reason to arrest Floyd. The problem is too many of these cases involve in death due to police escalation. Not sure if you saw the white autistic kid who was killed by cops in Utah after his mom called the police because he was having a fit of some kind - its more egregious than the Floyd case by far, but probably got swept under the rug because it fits neither side's narrative (he wasnt black so doesnt help the libs and he was killed by cops so it doesnt help the cons).

I believe you brought up the drugs in the system case for the reason you said, taking you at your word, but the idea of showing someone had unclean hands has been used throughout history to discredit people, show that they deserved what they got, and remove empathy from their supporters and I believe that is happening with the Floyd case in general.

Finally, I disagree that riots which cause property damage are entirely inappropriate. I will admit that this is likely because I am entirely isolated from such things, but I generally believe that when there are increasing signs of the state turning toward authoritarianism which show up not just in the police force, but in government, then protests are one of the first steps that need to be taken to restore a democratic society.

Now its funny for me to say this because, like I said, I am isolated from it and have no financial difficulties. That said, I actually don't want desperate people banging on my door to get my shit. Many people would think in such a position i would be an ardent 2a supporter and look for more aggressive policing. I believe that would be a mistake. We need more education and more opportunity for the poor. If we let their circumstances get too bad, there will be more poor and desperate people than there will be people to shoot them when they threaten the rest.

Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. If cause of death is asphyxiation, it’s relevant in the scientific sense and not merely “his hands weren’t clean” demonization of the victim

It doesn’t justify it, but it is somewhat relevant, although I’d guess the 9 minutes of kneeling caused his death about a billion times more than the fentanyl

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fentanyl is a respiratory depressant. If cause of death is asphyxiation, it’s relevant in the scientific sense and not merely “his hands weren’t clean” demonization of the victim

It doesn’t justify it, but it is somewhat relevant, although I’d guess the 9 minutes of kneeling caused his death about a billion times more than the fentanyl

All opioids and opiates are respiratory depressants. So is alcohol btw. Fentanyl is an extremely powerful and efficient synthetic opioid however. It is also extremely habit forming like all opioids and opiates, meaning it will make users take increasingly dangerous risks to obtain it and continue using it. If the medical examiner reports *lethal levels* of such a compound, how do you arrive at the conclusion that the cause of his death was probably the kneeling? When somebody is genuinely choking, they can't speak. He did not actually die in the video, he simply went unconscious. He died later at the hospital. All of this is completely, entirely consistent with a fentanyl overdose brought on by a panicked bad decision.

And yes, this is essentially exactly how juice wrld died. Eating drugs so they won't be found.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All opioids and opiates are respiratory depressants. So is alcohol btw. Fentanyl is an extremely powerful and efficient synthetic opioid however. It is also extremely habit forming like all opioids and opiates, meaning it will make users take increasingly dangerous risks to obtain it and continue using it. If the medical examiner reports *lethal levels* of such a compound, how do you arrive at the conclusion that the cause of his death was probably the kneeling? When somebody is genuinely choking, they can't speak. He did not actually die in the video, he simply went unconscious. He died later at the hospital. All of this is completely, entirely consistent with a fentanyl overdose brought on by a panicked bad decision.

And yes, this is essentially exactly how juice wrld died. Eating drugs so they won't be found.

There’s really no way to know, but I’m guessing 9 minutes of a knee on your back and a medical examiner saying asphyxiation, not overdose, is the cause of death could possibly lead one to conclude that the knee killed him. Also, he was standing and seemed fine prior to the knee. As you said, you rapidly build tolerance to fentanyl, maybe that lethal level wasn’t lethal to Floyd since he was a habitual user

This is all conjecture, what we know is he died in police custody with a knee on his back. Would you wish that upon your son? Your brother? Your friend? For better or worse, I understand that being a cop in this country is a shitty job, and Floyd was a dog shit human who did not positively contribute to his society, even up until his death, but when you’re in police custody they have a responsibility to not have you die. As far as him talking and that meaning he was still breathing, in the very technical sense, yes, but that doesn’t mean he was getting a full breath each time he inhaled for 9 minutes. The cop is culpable in his death.

But I believe in Kant’s categorical imperative, and I think we shouldn’t celebrate death, lest we wake up one day and be the dog shit Chinese subhuman trash who operate 380 internment / death camps in Xinjiang. We should oppose death, even among the worst of us like George Floyd, who I do firmly believe is in hell right now. That judgment is God’s job, not mine or Officer Chauvin’s

[douglas1999]

It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though, nor that the cop had any racially motivated animus toward him. The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness. But throwing around terms like "murdered" and "executed" and "publically lynched" which people on the far left love to do is completely unhelpful at best and dangerously irresponsible at worst.

When you create a false public perception that police kill young black males for no reason whatsoever, which is not born out of the extensive data available on police-citizen interactions whatsoever, innocent cops who have done nothing wrong literally *do* get executed, it has happened multiple times since the protests and riots began. I understand being concerned about vigilante justice, but Rittenhouse is kind of the least of the least offender in that department compared to some deranged lunatic who thinks killing random cops is some kind of cosmic justice. It's reprehensible and psychotic.

[Convict]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not at all conclusive that he was killed by the kneeling cop though, nor that the cop had any racially motivated animus toward him. The autopsy found lethally high amounts of an incredibly potent opioid narcotic in his system, this is relevant because if he had swallowed a large amount at the beginning of the encounter, it makes total sense that he slowly passes away which I and any decent person found horrifying to witness. But throwing around terms like "murdered" and "executed" and "publically lynched" which people on the far left love to do is completely unhelpful at best and dangerously irresponsible at worst.

When you create a false public perception that police kill young black males for no reason whatsoever, which is not born out of the extensive data available on police-citizen interactions whatsoever, innocent cops who have done nothing wrong literally *do* get executed, it has happened multiple times since the protests and riots began. I understand being concerned about vigilante justice, but Rittenhouse is kind of the least of the least offender in that department compared to some deranged lunatic who thinks killing random cops is some kind of cosmic justice. It's reprehensible and psychotic.

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