Congratulations Lord Bob

[YendorLootmonkey]

Well, that was my point... Deru's claiming "It never had anything to do with .. play styles." and "More importantly, these talks were never about segregation.", which is short-sighted because in the end, it ended up being exactly about that in order to create a raid structure that allowed both playstyles to co-exist "peacefully".

Lord Bob's insistence of their playstyle into the wrong side of that construct threatened the peace. Yet some server staff took the side of encouraging them, and Class R are called out as being hypocritical for trying to maintain the segregation of playstyles...

The very segregation that Rogean constructed into the raid system in order to make it more or less work for everyone.

In this thread, I would have rather seen server staff remain neutral and unbiased... or at very least support the structure that Rogean laid out, which is VERY MUCH based on segregating playstyles.

What's more hypocritical are the "hyper competitive" guilds that still have competition with each other within their own Class C crying over Class R getting some pixels under the new construct without having to enter into "extreme competition". If they really embraced competition, they would want as many guilds geared up going into Velious as possible so they have the fun of competing against all of them. Instead, all along, this has been about hamstringing all potential competition so there is actually minimal competition in Velious. The same guild that rants about Class R "receiving handouts" is hypocritically the same guild who had no issue logging in for about a year uncontested in VP for their "handouts".

This was never about competition, this was about pixel denial. Now that pixel denial is largely over, the competition is still there for those who want to play that way, yet there's all sorts of butthurt. Funny how that works.

That, Deru, is hypocrisy.

[Rhambuk]

Good show chaps! Keeping rnf alive!

not to derail but who wants to guess what yahoo images returned when I entered "Good show chaps"

[Argh]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that was my point... Deru's claiming "It never had anything to do with .. play styles." and "More importantly, these talks were never about segregation.", which is short-sighted because in the end, it ended up being exactly about that in order to create a raid structure that allowed both playstyles to co-exist "peacefully".

Lord Bob's insistence of their playstyle into the wrong side of that construct threatened the peace. Yet some server staff took the side of encouraging them, and Class R are called out as being hypocritical for trying to maintain the segregation of playstyles...

The very segregation that Rogean constructed into the raid system in order to make it more or less work for everyone.

In this thread, I would have rather seen server staff remain neutral and unbiased... or at very least support the structure that Rogean laid out, which is VERY MUCH based on segregating playstyles.

What's more hypocritical are the "hyper competitive" guilds that still have competition with each other within their own Class C crying over Class R getting some pixels under the new construct without having to enter into "extreme competition". If they really embraced competition, they would want as many guilds geared up going into Velious as possible so they have the fun of competing against all of them. Instead, all along, this has been about hamstringing all potential competition so there is actually minimal competition in Velious. The same guild that rants about Class R "receiving handouts" is hypocritically the same guild who had no issue logging in for about a year uncontested in VP for their "handouts".

This was never about competition, this was about pixel denial. Now that pixel denial is largely over, the competition is still there for those who want to play that way, yet there's all sorts of butthurt. Funny how that works.

That, Deru, is hypocrisy.

Class C/R has nothing to do about differing play styles. It was about separating the guilds who dominated the content from guilds that couldn't/wouldn't compete. If it were about play styles, the GMs would be enforcing the rotation.

Rogean throughout the negotiations showed his weariness for restricting open access to Class R mobs. See:

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't tell a guild they can't raid any mob in the game until they exist for 90 days and/or kill one isolated mob.

Tier 2 needs to include the ability for any guild on the server to take a crack at a mob just like anyone else. This includes pickups.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also ask that you guys be careful with stipulations on Tier 2. Tier 2 is the 'open door' tier - Any guild that is not Tier 1 will apply here, including up and coming guilds. The rules need to allow for flexibility with new guilds jumping on the scene to raid targets. There should not be any type of council governing the acceptance of new guilds into Tier 2. There can still be a council of guild representatives for working out any sort of guild agreements, however the policies need to be made while keeping in mind that any guild should be free to engage a mob on Tier 2's schedule unless they themselves have agreed to something previously.

I think Derubael's point of hypocrisy is that you wanted to strong arm Lord Bob into joining a rotation and force your play style (rotation) on them or join Class C to compete against TMO/FE/IB, guilds whom even top Class R guilds (BDA, Taken, etc) were unsuccessful competing against for the last three years, which led to the current raid scene.

[radditsu]

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[cries4hardcore]

Fuck this is so lame. Just giving nerds a bad name. Release Velious so there is more content to go around. Apparently it's really important to dominate ancient content. Fuck the other guys who want to enjoy a little nostalgia, i want to make history... Derp

[Lune]

Originally Posted by cries4hardcore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck this is so lame. Just giving nerds a bad name. Release Velious so there is more content to go around. Apparently it's really important to dominate ancient content. Fuck the other guys who want to enjoy a little nostalgia, i want to make history... Derp

go to bed kagutab

[Uteunayr]

Hey look, it's this thread again. And it was bumped by a post irrelevant to the thread that could have fit anywhere else.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Perissh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure why the GM's are defending Lord Bob so hard.

Because its a tiny guild that certain other guilds are shitting on, then making excuses for why they don't have to play nice.

[Asap]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where do I apply for this bob guild?