Stop the Socking

[Man0warr]

Yeah but Rogean doesn't keep watch that closely - it would take Sirken/Deru going to him like they did when TMO/IB were monopolizing mobs and causing lots of petitionquest.

That is unlikely to happen, as the GMs side more towards the Class C mindset.

[Gimp]

Server population wants to be Class R for the playstyle. As the Class R population grows, ratios need to be adjusted.

That's just your opinion.

Sirken has openly stated that any system they use is going to be designed around the more hardcore guilds getting the largest piece of the pixel pie. Nearly every change proposed in this thread hinges on some sort of chnage that either directly or indirectly loses more mobs for class C, so it's really doubtful it will happen.

[isiah]

If repops were FFA without a bag limit, I don't think class r would enjoy repops very much. I think you guys grossly over estimate your ability to call to arms and race for a mob.

I truly think a bag limit is the best for class r guilds on repop and to argue for no bag limit would not be in a guild's best interest.

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by isiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If repops were FFA without a bag limit, I don't think class r would enjoy repops very much. I think you guys grossly over estimate your ability to call to arms and race for a mob.

I truly think a bag limit is the best for class r guilds on repop and to argue for no bag limit would not be in a guild's best interest.

What you seem to fail to understand is, that we don't want it to get more loot or more mobs, we don't think we'll beat the crap out of IB/TMO on this, but we think it will create a more enjoyable raid environment, that we (all) will enjoy taking part in much more. When asked for a solution to socking, this is THE solution that springs to mind that doesn't have to change the C/R % of mobs and opportunities, and allow the two different mentalities to meet in free petitionquestfree competition, just as the server staff would like them to.

TMO/IB seems to be the ones advocating that a change to FFA on sim respawns would be "giving up mobs", not class R guilds, not sure how you, or anyone else, got the idea that we think this will give us tons more loot.

[Gimp]

I see what you're saying, I really do.

Here's the thing though: when IB/TMO initially agreed to this deal, a big factor in it was that there would be ~1 scheduled repop a week to simulate live patches which would offset the number of mobs they couldn't touch per week/month/whatever (class R uncontested mobs). As of late, we might be averaging 1.5-2 repops per month. So any change to the raid scene, especially one that greatly depends on repop scenarios, is most likely not going to happen, as they're far too inconsistent to be counted on in terms of overall mob count.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Gimp

Sirken has openly stated that any system they use is going to be designed around the more hardcore guilds getting the largest piece of the pixel pie.

This is true, and it is a mindboggling position imo. If he wants more mobs to be competitive/FFA, that would be one thing. But to specifically state "Any raid system must favor those who are willing to perform nonclassic timesinks" is just amazing.

Originally Posted by isaiah

If repops were FFA without a bag limit, I don't think class r would enjoy repops very much. I think you guys grossly over estimate your ability to call to arms and race for a mob.

You have to understand: Class C is about making the raid scene as not-fun as possible to spread the pixels over as few people as possible. Class R is about making the raid scene as fun as possible, and more pixels would be nice too but its not the primary issue, because if the raid scene is fun than we will participate and while we won't outcompete TMO/IB a certain amount of pixels will follow.

[Gimp]

Basically all boils down to this: if repops were more consistent, I believe both classes would have a bit more of a medium ground to meet on and discuss possible changes.

This is purely my opinion though.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically all boils down to this: if repops were more consistent, I believe both classes would have a bit more of a medium ground to meet on and discuss possible changes.

This is purely my opinion though.

I have been beating the repop drum for years. AFAIK it requires Rogean to log on and manually make it happen? If we could somehow schedule them automatically it would be huge. I bet this could be something both R and C could agree on!

[Gimp]

Sorry for thinking you were all the way there Gimpster! Keep on tryna use chars that aren't yours though.

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[webrunner5]

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