Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you mean to contradict yourself (Tasslehof) in the same paragraph here, or was it your other personality.

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ask your guild what happened when BDA legitimately made attempts on VP dragons about a year ago. In the spirit of saving time, multiple TMO trainers made sure to not only make sure we couldn't kill it, but also made our CR a living hell. Nothing I have ever experienced in this game could match the frustration of realizing that a couple individuals had nothing better to do with their lives than ruin the nights of a handful of others.

BDA literally brought this on themselves. You want sympathy? Your leadership probably should have thought of that before inviting 150 of the douchiest people on the server (once IB left to EQMAC), then thought twice about trying to influence certain GM's to make some of the dumbest, unfair decisions in the game which overtly favored VDA.

You want to blame someone? Blame Shinko and his ilk for instigating a fight with TMO under the BDA tag (by being douche bags every chance they got) and thus obliterating your guild, "good guy" reputation on the server (collectively). People who were already BDA before the VD-merger are hella' responsible as well. People in top leadership positions hate TMO so much that they wouldn't even accept a verbal "helping hand" in killing Gore an eon ago. No, they wanted war and had hoped that the numbers from VD would enable said war, even if in a "bluebie sense."

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hundreds upon hundreds of hours, at least, have been put into to get them to the table. Someone needs to post the only guild summit to happen. Where they basically ask when velious is coming out then hanging up. There is simply too much emotional daddytouchedme damage going on.

Learn to compete legitimately before asking for a summit. Until that time, whether you want it or not, it sounds as if you want a handout.

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any training should have the same buden of proof as in a fear raid....where it is also a frequent issue. It is hardly enforced in those situations....however the spectre of threat is there

The burden of proof for training in VP is far more difficult to achieve than in any other zone in the game currently. Guilds train themselves in VP due to arbitrary pathing issues (such as mobs going through walls sometimes and sometimes not) quite often. GM's would never sleep trying to figure out if an "unintentional train" by a guild should be considered "intentional" because it happened to kill off another guild or whether or not it was intentional in the first place. In the former case, then GM's would be asked to allow the guild who was killed a shot at the dragon even though the train was technically unintentional.

Etc.

TL;DR: Bunch of babies crying. Man up.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA literally brought this on themselves. You want sympathy? Your leadership probably should have thought of that before inviting 150 of the douchiest people on the server (once IB left to EQMAC), then thought twice about trying to influence certain GM's to make some of the dumbest, unfair decisions in the game which overtly favored VDA.

You want to blame someone? Blame Shinko and his ilk for instigating a fight with TMO under the BDA tag (by being douche bags every chance they got) and thus obliterating your guild, "good guy" reputation on the server (collectively). People who were already BDA before the VD-merger are hella' responsible as well. People in top leadership positions hate TMO so much that they wouldn't even accept a verbal "helping hand" in killing Gore an eon ago. No, they wanted war and had hoped that the numbers from VD would enable said war, even if in a "bluebie sense."



Learn to compete legitimately before asking for a summit. Until that time, whether you want it or not, it sounds as if you want a handout.



The burden of proof for training in VP is far more difficult to achieve than in any other zone in the game currently. Guilds train themselves in VP due to arbitrary pathing issues (such as mobs going through walls sometimes and sometimes not) quite often. GM's would never sleep trying to figure out if an "unintentional train" by a guild should be considered "intentional" because it happened to kill off another guild or whether or not it was intentional in the first place. In the former case, then GM's would be asked to allow the guild who was killed a shot at the dragon even though the train was technically unintentional.

Etc.

TL;DR: Bunch of babies crying. Man up.

I would assume they would spend as much time as they do now. Almost none. Just like any enforcement thats not rmt, mq or dual boxing. How overt did that gorg kite have to be.

It is still a poor rule. I can forgive uneven enforcement. ... it happens all the time.

[Raavak]

When IB (the original) and TMO contested VP they came to a stalemate and put in some peace agreements between them. VD/BDA/FE are missing a part of the solution to the equation. Giving up and crying about it two years later is pathetic. You have more than enough keys. I seriously suggest, instead, you review and modify your tactics.

[Verenity]

I am not asking for sympathy nor am I crying, I am just pointing out how ridiculously wrong the paragraph I quoted from you was. Don't act like training people in VP is something TMO will not do immediately and without regret.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When IB (the original) and TMO contested VP they came to a stalemate and put in some peace agreements between them. VD/BDA/FE are missing a part of the solution to the equation. Giving up and crying about it two years later is pathetic. You have more than enough keys. I seriously suggest, instead, you review and modify your tactics.

Translation: become a pain in our ass like past guilds have been, and then we will consider taking you seriously. We have no intention of working with you as adults until you've already backed us into a corner by sinking to our level and wallowing in shit like we do.

Edit: It's worth noting the logical fallacy in why any guild willing to sink to that level and be such a pain in TMO's side would have ANY interest in discussing things adult-like with them as opposed to either running them into the ground even further at that point.

By the time TMO is willing to talk with anyone, whoever it was that they've been competing with will have so much hate and spite built up for them they would rather just land a finishing blow than work something out. Otherwise what's the point in trying in the first place.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't act like training people in VP is something TMO will not do immediately and without regret.

Years of membluring dragons so they CHeal and training raids with no intent to actual kill a dragon in VP has desensitized even the most sympathetic member of TMO to your plight.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Years of membluring dragons so they CHeal and training raids with no intent to actual kill a dragon in VP has desensitized even the most sympathetic member of TMO to your plight.

Years? Membluring lasted a couple of months.

[Raavak]

god that chick is hot

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Years of membluring dragons so they CHeal and training raids (period) has desensitized even the most sympathetic member of the rest of the server to your plight.

What a broad statement you make.

@Neitche: that koolaid sure is tasty. Also, you and Rakpartha are talking passed each other here. Rakpartha says 'douchebaggery doesn't make us want to work with you' and you are saying 'turn into a douchebag and "compete" or don't bother coming to the table.' Which is it?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

god that chick is hot

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