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Old 08-23-2023, 07:24 PM
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Well nobody said that. It's more like: Lori lightfoot bad because of her policies; giuliani good because of his policies.

I really couldn't care less if there is an R or a D next to their name, what they actually do is all that matters.
Again I ask, is the Chicago City Attorney or DA independent from the Mayor?
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:28 PM
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Again I ask, is the Chicago City Attorney or DA independent from the Mayor?
Independent how?

They are both dems, but yes they are different people. I don't get the question.

Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:30 PM
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I haven't looked into it, but my guess would be that red states have more lower and lower-middle class people living in them. IE people who have a paper trail and can be easily counted.

"Poverty" needs to be specifically defined. People making less than 13k a year are considered impoverished. Homeless people, ironically, are often not counted as impoverished because they make *zero* money, which is treated as a separate category.

If you have no ID and often no social security number and you live on the street, you're certainly impoverished, but how is any formal census supposed to count you?

So the data is probably a lot harder to ascertain on the poverty question. Whereas on the crime question, it's literally just "how many murders happen here?" and those records are extremely simple to obtain.
Do the murder stats include police killings? What about deaths caused by eviction? How about someone who dies because they can't afford insulin? I think your definition of "violence" is too narrow.

As for poverty, a lot of definitions and statistics include children, the elderly, and the disabled. It gets more complicated. High population states might bear that out but Florida, specifically, makes it weirder.

Anyways, I'll take this as the long-winded way of saying "I don't know." and I appreciate the honesty.
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:31 PM
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Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.
Why do the woke idiots keep winning elections?! WHY DO THESE HOMOSEXUALS KEEP SUCKING MY DICK?!
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:35 PM
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Do the murder stats include police killings? What about deaths caused by eviction? How about someone who dies because they can't afford insulin? I think your definition of "violence" is too narrow.

As for poverty, a lot of definitions and statistics include children, the elderly, and the disabled. It gets more complicated. High population states might bear that out but Florida, specifically, makes it weirder.

Anyways, I'll take this as the long-winded way of saying "I don't know." and I appreciate the honesty.
The murder stats do include police killings if the police actually murder people. Most "police killings" are not murders. Even george floyd wasn't murdered by any sane interpretation of law. He was negligently killed, and I think chauvin deserves time in prison for it. But it was not murder.

The rest of what you said are separate issues, not violent crime. I'm not going to expand the definition of violent crime to include things that aren't violent crime.

And the woke idiots keep winning elections because most of their constituency are also woke idiots.
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Independent how?

They are both dems, but yes they are different people. I don't get the question.

Lori lightfoot isn't the mayor anymore either, but it's just another woke idiot.
You know like if the mayor isn't their boss. So crediting or blaming the mayor is mad retarded in a lot of cities and historically. It's different systems in different places.
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You know like if the mayor isn't their boss. So crediting or blaming the mayor is mad retarded in a lot of cities and historically. It's different systems in different places.
Well no shit sherlock. The point, again, is that they're all democrats with more or less the same sociopolitical sympathies and priorities.

Why you gotta be so tedious?
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Seattle, for example, is in a bad way and has a Republican city attorney.

She's a real looker too! 🤤
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:54 PM
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Seattle, for example, is in a bad way and has a Republican city attorney.

She's a real looker too! ��
Again D or R doesn't really matter, it's what they do. I would also suspect that the majority of Seattle is governed by democrats, the odd republican notwithstanding. So I'd argue it's becoming a hellhole in spite of that one republican, not because of her.

This whole beef was over republican vs dem governance with regard to crime. Pointing out that there's one republican in a failing dem city is an obvious red herring.
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Again D or R doesn't really matter, it's what they do. I would also suspect that the majority of Seattle is governed by democrats, the odd republican notwithstanding. So I'd argue it's becoming a hellhole in spite of that one republican, not because of her.

This whole beef was over republican vs dem governance with regard to crime. Pointing out that there's one republican in a failing dem city is an obvious red herring.
The majority of Seattle's government doesn't decide what crimes to prosecute.

The city attorney does.

It is weird she's super far down the list for pay though.
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