BDA to Phinigel

[booter]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gotta say this thread is feeling real stale. Going to stay away. Maybe BDA will do something or have some other implosion by pg 600.

best of luck to ya (not)

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[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you are literally RL friends with chest and have been for years you fucking moron

get with the picture

What's your point? I'm just saying there are no such thing as "loot bans". If you are angry enough about how BDA leadership does something, then you have probably already left the guild. If you show up to raids regularly, you are going to get loot.

Trollolol wasn't loot banned, he's just an idiot. The raid leaders decided to stack the warriors and clerics early on - whether it turned out to be a good decision is another matter - and Vulak's robe was very clearly advertised as going to clerics the first few times. Troll knew this, and still hoarded his nonexistant "loot council favors" for the first Vulak robe - and yet still somehow was disappointed.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by CheeseRoll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Might as well just put a vending machine in game than.

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It's like being in the most successful P99 guild, killing every boss that spawns worth killing each week. Except we only have 80 mouths to feed instead of hundreds, since we can do the raids when we choose.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your point?

I understand it can be hard to understand. I'll hold your hand through this painful process. I have gone ahead and quoted relevant posts from the past three pages which you have failed to comprehend.

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never been in BDA, but I've been in other LC guilds on p99. It was all the same as you described it. Unless you were in the inner circle/ clique/ whatever you want to call it, you would be relegated to rolling on rots with other plebs. And the only way to get into that inner circle is to do what I described-- be on 24/7, constantly cozying up to Dear Leader Guild Master/ Officer, sit on VoIP all the time, etc etc etc.

Originally Posted by heyokah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LC just felt grimy. Its absolutely as described. Shadow council members are human, they are going to have favorites, its just a fact. This causes people to suck the dicks(or vaginas) of the LC members to gain favor with the glorious leaders.w

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with BDA leadership all the time and I've got all the loot.

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you are literally RL friends with chest and have been for years you fucking moron

get with the picture

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your point?

Originally Posted by burkemi5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not only do you need to maintain a "loot council favor" presence, you better be cozying up to Dear Leader Chest, volunteering to do his laundry, PL his alts, being on and cracking the best jokes in /gu and VoIP 24/7, etc. That's the real DKP in the "casual" guilds.

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you get it. Also don't disagree with leadership or voice concerns and make waves. You'll get silently lootbanned from anything worthwhile for months.

(Notice the word "Also." Also is an adverb defined as "in addition; too." The first clause of jcr's quote here was sin reference to the need to be buddies with the Shadow Elf Council "in addition" to not disagreeing with leadership.)

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with BDA leadership all the time and I've got all the loot.

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you are literally RL friends with chest

Amazingly, I've managed to restate my argument without writing the thesis. (A thesis is the point of the argument).

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree with BDA leadership all the time and I've got all the loot.

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but you are literally RL friends with chest and have been for years you fucking moron

get with the picture

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your point?

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[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't like the people, and raiding is just a job for you, then there are numerous impersonal mercenary guilds you can join on both Phinny and P99.

This particular Chest narrative that he has all of BDA believing has always struck me as odd. I can't even count the number of times I've heard this line or very similar lines repeated in guild chat or vent during my time in BDA. Apparently every guild more successful than BDA on Phinny or P99 is just a "mercenary guild" that has no friendships. Quite the claim and one that I have the personal experience to say is complete and utter horseshit. I don't know how he can manage to convince so many people of pure bullshit like that. It's baffling really. BDA was no more friendly to me at it's best day than OGC has been so far. Shit man I have high ranking officers going out of their way repeatedly to help me gear/epic my ALT even when I was still an app. Do you know how many apps in BDA get shit on for asking for epic help before they make member? I remember it happening all the time. How can you not see the hypocrisy? Just been drinking the BDA koolaid for too long?

Tofu I never had any particular issues with you really. I didn't even mind listening to you ramble on in vent most of the time. But I don't think even you would deny that a large portion of BDA dislikes you. You're extremely close friends with Chest and I've heard Chest openly admit to being tired of sticking up for you to everyone. That being the case I find it strange that you'd use the fact that you're getting all this loot as proof the loot council isn't biased. I'd say the exact opposite. You're one of the guildleaders closest pals so you get loot regardless of tons of ppl not liking you and constantly disagreeing with leadership.

[arsenalpow]

Tofu and I are extremely close friends? That's news to me. There's people in guild I game with outside of EQ (Pullyn) or people I go to Vegas with (Anichek) or people I go to bars with (Blaza) or people I go to posh restaurants with (Flickken) but I knew Tofu through MTG tournies and we weren't close. We're pals now though from so many years of EQ and he's definitely BDA ride or die, and he's a great asset to the guild. He deserves every piece of loot he gets.

Troll you seem to be confusing getting loot with people being friendly. You're so happy to get pixels for low bids in OGC, or someone helped your alt get an epic. Friendliness for you is directly tied to how many pixels your characters are receiving. Maybe you should step back and figure out how being friendly actually works.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This particular Chest narrative that he has all of BDA believing has always struck me as odd. I can't even count the number of times I've heard this line or very similar lines repeated in guild chat or vent during my time in BDA. Apparently every guild more successful than BDA on Phinny or P99 is just a "mercenary guild" that has no friendships. Quite the claim and one that I have the personal experience to say is complete and utter horseshit. I don't know how he can manage to convince so many people of pure bullshit like that. It's baffling really. BDA was no more friendly to me at it's best day than OGC has been so far. Shit man I have high ranking officers going out of their way repeatedly to help me gear/epic my ALT even when I was still an app. Do you know how many apps in BDA get shit on for asking for epic help before they make member? I remember it happening all the time. How can you not see the hypocrisy? Just been drinking the BDA koolaid for too long?

I've been in tons of hardcore top end guilds in EQ, WoW, EQ2, etc where for years people literally logged in for raids to collect DKP, no one was allowed to talk in voice chat except the leaders, and then people logged off afterwards. Otherwise people only logged in to farm materials required for consumables for said raids. It was a business, whose sole purpose was obtaining loot and getting server/world firsts - almost no socialization. Super high turnover rate of both applicants and membership.

Not all guilds were like that at the top, but a lot of the successful ones were.

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tofu I never had any particular issues with you really. I didn't even mind listening to you ramble on in vent most of the time. But I don't think even you would deny that a large portion of BDA dislikes you. You're extremely close friends with Chest and I've heard Chest openly admit to being tired of sticking up for you to everyone. That being the case I find it strange that you'd use the fact that you're getting all this loot as proof the loot council isn't biased. I'd say the exact opposite. You're one of the guildleaders closest pals so you get loot regardless of tons of ppl not liking you and constantly disagreeing with leadership.

I get loot because I have nearly 100% raid attendance, play a class with a lot of loot that no one else goes in for, and I'm smart about when and what I ask for. That's it. The "get all the loot" comment was a joke. Whatever loot system we used I'd be getting equivalent amount of loot - but it's Phinny so it really doesn't matter.

Like Chest said, we are more acquaintances than anything before EQ, and don't really interact outside of it since we both pretty much quit playing MTG seriously and live on opposite sides of a very large state.

[bigbard1]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like being in the most successful P99 guild, killing every boss that spawns worth killing each week. Except we only have 80 mouths to feed instead of hundreds, since we can do the raids when we choose.

Ur a cuck

[bigbard1]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been in tons of hardcore top end guilds in EQ, WoW, EQ2, etc where for years people literally logged in for raids to collect DKP, no one was allowed to talk in voice chat except the leaders, and then people logged off afterwards. Otherwise people only logged in to farm materials required for consumables for said raids. It was a business, whose sole purpose was obtaining loot and getting server/world firsts - almost no socialization. Super high turnover rate of both applicants and membership.

Not all guilds were like that at the top, but a lot of the successful ones were.



I get loot because I have nearly 100% raid attendance, play a class with a lot of loot that no one else goes in for, and I'm smart about when and what I ask for. That's it. The "get all the loot" comment was a joke. Whatever loot system we used I'd be getting equivalent amount of loot - but it's Phinny so it really doesn't matter.

Like Chest said, we are more acquaintances than anything before EQ, and don't really interact outside of it since we both pretty much quit playing MTG seriously and live on opposite sides of a very large state.

I have a hard time either of you would be successful Magic players since you are both pretty much idiots.