Discussion: PvP Deaths (Item/Coin/XP Loot/Gain)

[Bockscar]

The point of PvP is fighting other players. It should be possible to never have to do a single PvE camp ever on this server (or at least very few) and instead gain your levels and equipment by killing other players.

Find another server. This one clearly isn't for you. PvE content is a central part of PvP and is most of the reason PvP takes place. If you want to completely change that, it won't be on a classic server.

You also act as if the people who grind to the highest levels first and get the best gear first will let other people have those camps. They will frequently exert a lot of effort in preventing others from even attempting to camp the hotspots. Item loot provides more of an equalizer for skill, so that it's less about getting decked out and more about using tactics and intuition.

Tactics and intuition? Are you making this up as you go along? Itemloot provides an environment where by far the most effective method of PvPing is to circumvent the itemloot system, either by PvPing naked or by bagging your items at the first sign of possible death. Pretty much everyone will do one or the other. As has been repeatedly pointed out, PvP is about the rights to content, about guild rivalries, and about the sheer fun of PvPing. Itemloot has nothing to do with any of that.

If you're so worried about the top players, wait until they're all decked out in no-drop raid gear. Then you'll really see what kind of immense advantage they'd have on an itemloot server. If your primary concern is to be left behind by those better than you, you should be against itemloot because in the end it's the weaker players like you who suffer and the elite who loot all your shit without risking anything themselves.

Itemloot has been proven not to work with the way the game is designed, not to add anything of value to a server, and not to be appreciated by the majority. Much like you, I expect.

[Doors]

Oh christ.

[Scribbles]

nerd alert

[Not_Kazowi]

Zuranthium you are bat shit crazy dude, you are playing the wrong game sir. I have a pretty good position to talk about item loot the way I do and you honestly are so far from any kind of reality for this server. Have you ever even payed eq pvp

[Zuranthium]

I don't believe I'm playing the wrong game, I just don't think you understand the full extent of what this game could be. Yes I've played EQ PvP and there is much to improve. As always, people are arguing that a server must be exactly like another pre-existing version of the game. Never any creativity, never any thought with regards to learning from the past and learning from other games and trying to create something that is altogether better or at least more daring in its goals.

[Bockscar]

First of all, one could say a lot about Rexx, but he knows his shit. You're not gonna convince anyone that you have a better understanding of PvP - and especially of an emu PvP server - than him.

Secondly, you seem to believe that itemloot has never been tried before and that we'll all see the light if only we give it a shot. It has been tried before, both on three live servers and on the previously most consistent PvP emu. It was hugely unpopular and eventually removed from all live servers. The emu server went from like 50 to 200 players when they removed itemloot. See this entire thread or any other discussion on the subject for reasons, I'm tired of repeating them.

[Nirgon]

Long as root/whirl doesn't land 50% on 120mr, you're fine with item loot.

[Vidrata]

Coin loot = Yes
Item loot = 1 item from any slot; equipment or inventory/bags.

[vinx]

Item loot = wanna be twinks
most will never level to cap / will stay in a certain range to gank those moving up and thru. they arent scared to lose big ticket items they might have got in a zerg cuz they never worked for it (or dont have it) = to scared to contest for camps at higher end

If you level to cap you can get quite a few items that are no-drop wihch nullifies looting
your only worried about finding other ways to get items besides camping it or contesting camps to attain it.

[Haul]

Xp loss/xp gain in pvp is just retarded, easy for folks to exploit. As well as not being classic.