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In my opinion the "science crazed" portion of society has forgotten that science and technology are supposed to exist to serve humanity. Instead we're entering an era where humanity is serving science and the end goals aren't very clear. The same risk exists with our business and financial institutions. Do the banks and corporations exist to serve and uplift humanity or does humanity now exist to serve and uplift the banks and corporations? These institutions are entities in and of themselves just like you are composed of the living cells in your body. Religion reinvents itself all the time as well even within specific religions. To use your quote it "goes through continual self examination, ideas are held up to be criticized." Even within religions like Catholicism and Christianity within the last few hundred years the mindset has shifted dramatically in terms of the intent of religious teachings, their true translations, and so on. In light of new evidence and theories there are new religions and theologies created. It evolves exactly the same as science and just as fast. There is a saying you're probably familiar with regarding, "How can you be moral without God?" Many atheists will spout something about how they don't believe in God and are completely moral people. It's hard to separate your ideals of morality though when society as a whole has been guided since the start by religion and spirituality. Is it really that you're moral without God or it just that your morality stems from society which is always influence by God more than any other factor? Where might humanity be right now if the dominant religion said it was fine to kill your neighbor because you like his wife? At one point in time it's very likely religion DID say that in at least one tribe somewhere. That doesn't make for a very healthy society though and so the religion that worked better for a given society granted them the power to conquer others and bring them into line with God thus continuing the evolutionary cycle. In my mind both science and rational thought should work hand in hand with religion and spirituality as they exist in separate realms. Instead what we have is a football team and a hockey team playing on the same field and the outcome is going to be a big pile of shit that NO ONE is going to like. Just wait and see. | |||
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![]() P.S. The primary "difference" between faith and religion is evidence. You might argue that science is based on evidence and is thus superior but how can you make such an argument when over and over again the evidence is shown to be bogus?
As example comes to mind regarding the faith people had that new brain cells aren't created. The majority of scientists supported this viewpoint based on the evidence obtained using the scientific method in a lab. It turns out though that by putting monkeys in a lab they removed the dynamic environment necessary to produce new brain cells. It was only later with the study of birds in their natural environment that we saw that new brain cells were being created. The history of science if full of these situations where the researchers are so bias they distort their own results to support their viewpoints. If it's not that then the observation itself changes the results. Maybe our tools were just lying to us the whole time. On and on. Meanwhile the results that science is producing from these ultimately flawed experiments are being spread from the scientific community as "the truth" and "the way it is". Is it not a leap of faith to believe that's the truth? Don't you have to have faith that the experiment was done right? The researchers stayed true to non-bias? That somewhere on a quantum level shit just got wild because you peeked and have no idea what you're REALLY even doing in the first place? Of course you do. In the exact same way the religion requires faith in spiritual leaders to tell them what is holy or good. Until new evidence arises in either case all we have is faith in an ideal that is produced by imperfect beings. The problem arises when people are unable to let go when evidence points out the flaws in their faith. A further problem arises when people are unwilling to admit that new evidence might itself be flawed and not actually disprove anything. | ||
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![]() There is a lot to respond to here. On just this one point:
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Science understanding however changes daily. Just take a look at any scientific journal and each publication will be in same way be a refutation or expansion on previous theory. It is in the very nature of religion (at least the Abrahimic ones) to be inflexible for they proclaim themselves to be truth. | |||
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![]() So what's the Atheist deathcount for the past century? Stalin with his 15+ Million, Mao with his 40+ Million? Lots of tolerance from those atheistic societies.
I'll say this regarding the title of this thread - if you're a dogmatic atheist with a hatred for religion (i.e. a true atheist, not merely a hard agnostic), you're just as stupid as those whose religions you hate. | ||
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Science and religion are the same thing, except religion doesn't bother to test the ideas. I am confident that as our understanding of things improve, through the scientific method we will find a way to test the existence of a god or gods (though probably not in our life times). I am also confident that whatever is found out won't be consistent with the views you have now. | |||
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![]() This is a super amusing turn the thread has taken. The big problem in the world is too much science. Got it. Quick, let's all email Obama that the key to winning the future is teaching creationism and going to Bible college.
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![]() If you look at the countries with the best education systems and social welfare programs (math/science/foreign language) you can see that these countries are largely pro-evolution.
Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark are just a few examples, but there are more. These countries are overwhelmingly subscribers of evolution without a magical being who made people out of clay and were tricked into evil by a talking snake at a magical tree that gave never-ending life if you ate it's fruit. | ||
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