Stop the Socking

[isiah]

Anyone else confused about why the class that has chosen the rotation system now wants competition?

How about FFA repops with no bag limit since so many guilds feel like they can compete in a viable manner? True competition would be a guild able to bag as many mobs as it is capable of beating other guilds to. With a bag limit, not much changes; the good guilds get the best mobs and the lower guilds get whatever scraps are left over.

Sure there might be some competition for a few mobs between a few guilds, but if people think it creates some semblance of fair and exciting competition for all 15 guilds involved, then people should reevaluate.

I guess Europa wants to race for Maestro scraps and the like and consider it competition.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by isiah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone else confused about why the class that has chosen the rotation system now wants competition?

Class C is the one that demands competition.. but they dont' want to compete for it unless they have the unfair advantage.

[Culkasi]

Yes, that is likely the kind of mobs we would currently be able to compete for, but with practise and more competitive experience we might be able to move up and compete for the bigger targets, who knows?

Yes, C/R with FFA on sim respawns would imply no bag limit on the ffa, of course, that is why we are insisting it doesn't have to mean less merbs for Class C if they are so much better than Class R, and it gives IB/TMO a good opportunity to show that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if the FFA element was never meant to be a competition between C and R guilds on equal terms, then why was the rotation not C/C/R?

[Breaken]

How about FFA repops with no bag limit

How about this? C/R, FFA Repops, No bag limit. Would that get Class C interested?

[Gimp]

C/R isn't gonna happen, so that proposed change is completely moot.

If anything, it needs to be changed to C/C/R and just do away with FFA entirely since class R and class C can't play nice together on FFA pops when Taken shows up.

All of these people vouching for C/R with complete FFA repops need to remember that when Class C and Class R agreed to the terms of these new raid rules, a lot of what class C agreed on was dependent on multiple server repops per month. I'm not sure on exact numbers as I'm too lazy to go find the page that has them all listed, but we're a far cry from four repops a month.

All I've gotten from scanning through random pages in this thread is that more class R guilds are wanting to join rotation, thus some of the larger class R guilds are wanting either a change to the C/FFA/R system to C/R, full FFA repops, or a combination of both. Every time more guilds join the class R guild rotation and that piece of uncontested loot pie gets a bit smaller and longer to wait on, you can't come to class C and expect them to be willing to give up more mobs to alleviate the situation. The only real situation to all of this mess is that some of the larger class R guilds need to merge together and form a third class C guild.

tl;dr every time the piece of class R loot pie gets smaller, you can't expect class C to fix the situation by giving up more mobs.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C/R isn't gonna happen, so that proposed change is completely moot.

If anything, it needs to be changed to C/C/R and just do away with FFA entirely since class R and class C can't play nice together on FFA pops when Taken shows up.

All of these people vouching for C/R with complete FFA repops need to remember that when Class C and Class R agreed to the terms of these new raid rules, a lot of what class C agreed on was dependent on multiple server repops per month. I'm not sure on exact numbers as I'm too lazy to go find the page that has them all listed, but we're a far cry from four repops a month.

All I've gotten from scanning through random pages in this thread is that more class R guilds are wanting to join rotation, thus some of the larger class R guilds are wanting either a change to the C/FFA/R system to C/R, full FFA repops, or a combination of both. Every time more guilds join the class R guild rotation and that piece of uncontested loot pie gets a bit smaller and longer to wait on, you can't come to class C and expect them to be willing to give up more mobs to alleviate the situation. The only real situation to all of this mess is that some of the larger class R guilds need to merge together and form a third class C guild.

tl;dr every time the piece of class R loot pie gets smaller, you can't expect class C to fix the situation by giving up more mobs.

Holy crap this must be 2013 because I agree with Gimpster on something. Guess he hasn't gone 100% full retard.

Sorry for thinking you were all the way there Gimpster! Keep on tryna use chars that aren't yours though.

[Man0warr]

Class R wants to change to C/R to get rid of FFA interaction (and drama, and GM petitions - the only time this isn't the case is during FFA sim repops)- the extra mobs (17%?) is secondary. If the FFA repops have no bag limit, then Class C can make up that 17% easily.

Also there is only like 1 or 2 more Class R guild than we had when we started a year ago - and those guys aren't even on every rotation and team up a lot so it hasn't slowed the rotation down at all.

[Gimp]

C/C/R gets rid of the R/C mingling just the same without class C giving up more free spawns.

All of these suggestions that hinge on consistent repops aren't gonna work, as we're already getting less repops than what was initially agreed upon (~1 a week, simulating live patches).

[Man0warr]

But then Class R has to give up even more mobs than Class C would be giving up moving to C/R.

Neither is going to work, because neither side wants to give up any amount of mobs.

[Fanguru]

These are not Class C mobs to give. They are Rogean's mobs.
Class C does not own the server.

Server population wants to be Class R for the playstyle. As the Class R population grows, ratios need to be adjusted.

C/R with FFA on sim repops. Healthy competition, no poopsocking.