Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested - Page 51

Lazie · #**501** 12-28-2013, 03:57 AM

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Every proposed tier system so far is about follow these rules for this mob but not on this one cause it has more value to this guild... agreement needs to present opportunities instead of continuing to promote who can park enough toons at all the "high" priority targets and log them in for 5 minutes at any given notice to kill a raid mob, get the loot on a toon that will... gasp be logged out at another raid target and never actually played. Gearing toons to camp out to get more gear for toons to camp out... see where this is going... camping out a mob isn't raiding... its called being an asshole.

Read the system I propose. You still have to track and know when your mob spawns. Getting to a mob and pulling it in 2 hours isn't hard. You still have to work if you want to kill these things.

Bossman · #**502** 12-28-2013, 03:57 AM

If TMO wants competition then why do they camp alt armies out at spawn points? How fast you can log in is not competing

baramur · #**503** 12-28-2013, 04:00 AM

Your just never gonna satisfy everyone. If people believe TMO/FE/IB are just gonna say screw our hardcore style lets rotate everything, your crazy. If you think Rogean wants them to do so, your crazy. Rogean has said before he doesn't want forced rotation he wants competition. The server as a whole is asking for the upper guilds...TMO/FE/IB to not monopolize the server, and they are agreeing, and yet you are still saying not enough, not enough. Even when approached with with them only allowed a combined 50 percent of raid mobs you still scream, not enough for casuals. This has become funny to me. If TMO/FE/IB agreed to only raid 1 week a month, you would still scream they are killing to much, or that your not getting enough for your limited playtime.

quido · #**504** 12-28-2013, 04:04 AM

Current raid practices such as pre-camping are the result of a sort of EQ Arms Race that has been going on for years.

Anyone remember when VS didn't get poopsocked or did only very rarely?

Anyone remember when Trak didn't get pre-camped?

Luckily it doesn't get to spawnsocking often, but if people want things like that to de-escalate, the #2/#3 forces need to match instead of justifying the continued behavior with a greater need for gear.

Swish · #**505** 12-28-2013, 04:06 AM

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If TMO wants competition then why do they camp alt armies out at spawn points? How fast you can log in is not competing

Only way to remove that is to wipe the server and ban account sales from day 1 on the new one.

Joroz · #**506** 12-28-2013, 04:08 AM

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Read the system I propose. You still have to track and know when your mob spawns. Getting to a mob and pulling it in 2 hours isn't hard. You still have to work if you want to kill these things.

yea you have some good points but still every mob should have same set of rules to keep things simple... there are a ton of guilds on this server all raid ready. whatever system gets adopted will have to be easy to maintain. soon as we start adding special stuff like if you kill this mob you can't go do this one, things get way to convoluted to keep track of. plus rotations will probably never happen. and the point isn't really to mandate rotations and get everyone a fair crack at every mob. its to curb the mob dieing 2mins after it spawns because people want to camp a raid force at every mob and keep shit on lock down.

baramur · #**507** 12-28-2013, 04:10 AM

I guess the issue is:
1) Why do people feel entitled to things they never tried to work for. I see some guilds posting that i have never seen sit a Sev camp with a force, hoping he might spawn (yes this was done on live).

2)Why people believe whatever is decided is what is set in stone. This agreement needs to be drafted like the constitution, adaptable with the ability to be ever changing.

3)Before we shoot for the moon, lets worry about lift-off.

4)You already have TMO/FE/IB agreeing to not monopolize mobs and open up the raid scene, are insults really the way to go. Why do you feel its a good idea to insult them at every turn.

5) IF currently TMO/FE/IB Combined are getting 9/10 of the raid content, with pretty much no other guild standing a chance at mobs like vs/trak, wouldnt any plan that frees up more raid mobs, and actually gives others a fighting chance at trak/vs an improvement?

quido · #**508** 12-28-2013, 04:15 AM

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Only way to remove that is to wipe the server and ban account sales from day 1 on the new one.

Many of us leveled our own alt armies. Many of us have never bought or sold an account.

jaybone · #**509** 12-28-2013, 04:17 AM

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Many of us leveled our own alt armies. Many of us have never bought or sold an account.

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Yinikren · #**510** 12-28-2013, 04:22 AM

This once a week thing doesn't sound like a good idea. I am 100% sure anyone who wants to raid and isn't in TMO/IBFE doesn't want to go on vacation waiting for 3 weeks to pass so they can get mobs again.

Weighted point system. Make guilds choose what mobs they want each week. Keep FTE and remove variance. I am still finishing up my draft for it.

And I apologize Jeremy. Might have been someone else, but for some reason 5/6 mobs and making 6 guilds fight for the last one rings heavily in my mind.